Mass grave prepared for the school girl massacre, 165 souls

[Dirtydianaoh]

For a nation to say they care about women and girl rights and liberation, and then to bomb a school wtf?!
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Language is important and you’re welcome.

Does it? Why do you say that with such confidence when Pete Hesgeth said only yesterday they were still ‘investigating’.

Whatever anyone believes on a Genocide, Hamas haven't lost as such, the hatred towards Israel and its supporters has just been magnified many times.

We will see increased terrorist attacks across the world, carried out by terrorist organisations with a different name.

The attacks on Iran will just hasten this, as previous wars in the ME have.

That response wasn't directed at you. But go on have the last word if you want to!

It kinda does. Obviously he felt strongly enough to send his condolences to the Nazi German ambassador.

Plus how many Jewish refugees did Ireland take in during WW2?

I'm sure there were individual Irish who did fight the Nazis but clearly the leadership felt some sympathyfor their genocdie

As per one of the articles I linked to

On July 9, 1943, newly-elected member of the Irish parliament Oliver Flanagan rose to make his maiden speech.
“There is one thing that Germany did and that was to rout the Jews out of their country,” he declared, saying that Ireland should follow suit. “They crucified our savior 1,900 years ago and they are crucifying us every day of the week.”
No one objected to Flanagan’s words. Certainly, his constituents did not appear unduly concerned. A year later, Flanagan was re-elected to the Dail, Ireland’s lower house of parliament, with twice as many votes as he had previously received.

I know I should have done the same

you keep asking the same questions over and over and over again . “Kinda” isn’t the same as fact .

America hasn’t blamed Iran. Even that nutcase hesgeth said they didn’t know yet. If they believed it was Iran they would be shouting it. They aren’t yet the posters on this thread are. Why?

I don’t look at SM much at all so my comment was aimed at people on MN. Some people on MN say accusations of antisemitism are getting old - the same people would never say accusations of racism generally are getting old.

Who gives a shit at this point? Harking back 80 years to call Ireland a shitty place. Meanwhile log onto the Internet and watch the Israeli army stand around watching a boy bleed to death, watch settlers gassing families in their homes at night leaving babies unable to breath, watch soldiers terrifying disabled people in the streets, watch their politicians say things like 'the children of Gaza have brought this upon themselves' and that 'every child, every baby in Gaza is the enemy' . But sure let's talk about Ireland 80 years ago,that's relevant to the conversation of Israel and the US killing yet more children as they sit at their desks trying to learn.

I mean a country with politicians who think that children can bring death and destruction on themselves who describe babies as the enemy, a country whose army is fresh from killing 20000 children would never blow up more right?

Yes - it’s apparently an antisemitic trope to point out that America joined in with the bombing because they knew Israel planned to attack Iran first even though that is literally what America has said.

You responded to a comment I made claiming it was an anti semetic trope that the Jews controlled the world when I said that it has been said by the pentagon to congress that the reason America was involved is because Israel intended to strike Iran and America thought they’d get attacked as a result. Israel planned to attack. America didn’t have any intelligence that Iran was going to attack.

You fail to understand, deliberately or otherwise.

America have said very clearly they were going to go to war with Iran anyway. The exact timing may have been dictated by Israel, but that is all.

And yet posters on MN and elsewhere continue to use 'genocide' which was first bandied about on 8 October 23.
DDs best friend in Ireland actually messaged her using the word the day afterwards! Needless to say although friend apologised they no longer speak.

Hamas haven't lost as such ... oh dear.

I just can't believe we've got a thread full of pp justifying actions of two groups of islamic extreamists.

Crazy times.

Until a couple of years ago Iran was the most heavily sanctioned country in the world, sanctions which have been in place for decades. If they had been allowed to take part in trade then there would have been more money, lots of it, to invest and even a state run by religious nutters would have invested in infrastructure and civil projects if they had the money. As it is they prioritised the military, I can understand why

You can argue until you are blue in the face but it is not a genocide. If G-d forbid it had been/was, then the people in Gaza would have been obliterated by now.

You can argue until you are blue in the face but I disagree .

That not my interpretation. I think what these groups do is abhorrent but I don't support bombing them. In mind it is not unlike I find the crimes of Axel Rudakubana abhorrent but it still doesn't make me support the state killing him but at a state scale. You you can be against two things. International diplomacy is the only way that ever really worked.

If you cannot see that some Palestinians will continue the terrorism on Israel, then you know nothing of the history of the region.

Do you remember when the PLO was "defeated" and their leaders exiled.... how long did Israel have peace and security for?

Hamas is just a name.

Oh Dear indeed.

5% of the residents of Gaza have been killed. Picture your kids school and round up 1-2 kids per class at random - that be a noticeable impact.

Hamas has had millions of $$$ poured into Gaza since 2005. They haven't used the funds to help and protect* their civilians, instead using it to build their tunnels underneath Gaza, fill them with armoury bought and provided from Iran as well as keep their leadership in luxury away in other ME countries.
*There are palpably no shelters for ordinary Gazans to retreat to from Israeli bombs. Hamas and the Iranian regime couldn't give a fuck for ordinary citizens who are collateral damage to them.
So your hypothesis that not heavily sanctioning Iran so that the money would be spent for the benefit of their citizens holds as much water as a bucket with a hole in it.

America were planning to get involved if the nuclear talks didn't work and they weren't working. They probably knew they wouldn't but had to get their warships etc in place. Anyway, the Iranian negotiators were boasting about their enriched uranium and how they managed to evade regulatory checks so hardly being serious negotiators.

There was a thread on MN dating back to January when the US began gradually moving warships etc into the region ... very heavy hints/threats that they were preparing to go to war with Iran.

People like you implying that Netanyahu controls Trump ... it's ridiculous. The US was already involved & for their own reasons. Israel indicating they were about to strike Iran may have influenced the exact moment the US launched their first strikes but that is all.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5476635-us-moves-nuclear-powered-warship-to-middle-east

Not having finished the job is not a defence FFS, to even suggest such a thing is obtuse and offensive.

Anyway the relevant UN article states "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”

The list of acts includes killing members of the group, causing serious physical or mental to members of the group or inflicting living conditions designed to bring about the destruction of the group. Tick, tick, tick the only thing to prove is intent