To think this is utterly disgusting?!?

[LucyWestenra]

What is wrong with people??

Talk about adding insult to injury!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15602697/amp/Green-Party-spin-doctor-denies-women-raped-October-7-attacks.html

I fully agree with you, but I would be surprised if pp hadn’t heard about the Bibas family and what happened to them 🧡
But it’s “it didn’t start on October 7th” and all that.

This is from a poster who has accused others of "bias" on this thread.

And claimed that they themselves were unbiased!

Unbelievable.

there is no ‘context’ that would frame October 7th as anything other than a barbaric violent murderous terroristic invasion. You absolutely are defending Hamas’ actions as soon as you invoke ‘context’.
how does the slogan go? “Resistance is justified when people are occupied”? 🤮

Rape is not resistance.

The attempts to excuse and minimise what happened on October 7th over the last two and a half years have been really eye opening.
Really shows you why Jewish people might want their own state.

You didn't reply to my last post because there were too many flaws in your logic, but you call kidnapping an 8 year old girl from her house and gang raping her until her pelvis dislocates justified in context?

This.

Plus, what were Hamas hoping to achieve?
Do naive, “resistance” supporting Westerners really think Hamas thought their horrendous attack would improve the lives of the people in Gaza?

I think everyone knows that Hamas are knuckle dragging cavemen who think women are just there to be raped at will. These Hamas ‘fighters’ are the most disgusting sub human pieces of shit on the planet, clearly.

Islamist groups are fascist, Hamas is no exception.
Nihilistic , homophobic, misogynist, antisemitic, anti democratic, hardline.
Quite why they are excused so much - even supported - is mind blowing .

Indeed it is.

Yet we have seen plenty of it.

I don't know what they thought it would achieve. I'm sure they knew there would be reprisals. Maybe they underestimated Israel's willingness to level Gaza in retaliation.

One thing it HAS done, is raise the profile of Palestinians and their struggle to the world. And I don't think Israel have improved their reputation in the process.

@IcyPlumShaker . Ok, seriously.
Re read your paragraph starting "But anyone..." Perhaps re phrase that one, if you condemn the atrocities of Oct 7th? ( which I'm sure you do).

I stand by everything I've said on this thread. This war didn't start on Oct 7th last year; it's bizarre to me that people think that.

And I do believe that I'm unbiased, yes. I can say, hand on heart, that I believe that BOTH Hamas and Israel have been guilty of appalling things in this conflict.

Seems like the rest of you think Israel are totally innocent in all this. Now THAT is bias.

Nobody on here has claimed that the war started on Oct 7th. It ended a ceasefire and a brokering for sure, but that's part of the long term conflict.
I think that the problem is that you appear to be saying that there are no innocent Israeli victims in this whole tragedy. That's how it comes across. This whole thread stems from the claims (not yet denied) by the Greens spokesperson in relation to the women victims.
I don't think it helps if you suggest that they weren't innocent victims, but perhaps it's just your wording.

Yes, we seem to have drifted away from the origin of this thread that OP began in good faith. Mea culpa.

I have never once claimed that Israel is totally innocent. Not once.
So stop accusing me of bias, and stop making unfounded claims about me.

Happy to clarify that for you. The Israelis who were kidnapped and killed - and yes, in some cases raped - on Oct 7th were completely innocent.

I apologise if I gave the impression that I thought otherwise.

Thank you for clarifying this.
Perhaps your previous wording obscured this.

Or perhaps people don't read properly. There seems to have been plenty of that on this thread too.

No. Your posts did appear to claim that there were no innocent Israeli victims, but you have since clarified your meaning.

People on this thread haven't indicated that they think the war started on Oct 7th so you are lying about that.

You are biased against Israel which is obvious in many of your posts and just because you can say that Hamas are guilty of appalling things doesn't change that. It's also untrue to say the "the rest of you think Israel are totally innocent in all this".

Never have I said that or thought that. I have criticised Netanyahu several times in discussions about Gaza on the CITME board, and in particular the more extremist members of his government. I have criticised times when they have blocked humanitarian aid into Gaza, I have criticised the Settlers. Yet still, I am willing to admit I have a bias towards Israel in their war with Hamas.

Hamas are terrorist monsters who don't even care about killing their own people - their own citizens are just collateral damage to them in their longstanding battle with Israel. Noted the way you parrot Hamas propaganda: One thing it HAS done, is raise the profile of Palestinians and their struggle to the world. And I don't think Israel have improved their reputation in the process.

Obviously you see some positives to the war in Gaza. Well I hope you're happy with the extremely heavy price Gazan civilians have paid for Hamas triggering a war to raise the profile of Palestinian struggles.