To think this is utterly disgusting?!?

[LucyWestenra]

What is wrong with people??

Talk about adding insult to injury!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15602697/amp/Green-Party-spin-doctor-denies-women-raped-October-7-attacks.html

I'm not sure you even know what bias is. It's not about parroting Hamas were awful on 7/10/23 but ...

A lot of bias is unconscious and sometimes it's hard to acknowledge it in ourselves. But there will be very few people who will genuinely be completely unbiased. I acknowledge I am not unbiased because I have decided to support Israel in the war, despite not agreeing with everything they do. They are a terrifyingly efficient army, never have I suggested in any way they are tree hugging hippies (not seen anyone else suggest that either).

As a sign of your possibly unconscious bias, you said that Israel had committed genocide when that hasn't been legally decided yet. A completely neutral person would not rush to assign such labels until all the facts are known. A neutral person could disagree with a lot of what Israel has done in the war but they would also acknowledge the difficulties the IDF are working under in Gaza. They would empathise with both sides.

As I said before, not many of us are truly unbiased when it comes to Gaza.

" The Israeli army has been killing innocent women and children in Gaza, in preparation for the glorious day when Trump gets to help Israel rebuild it as a new beach resort. It represents the continuation of a war started in 1948 which has led to Israel illegally occupying and annexing much of the territory initially given to Palestine. "

There you go, fixed it for you.

You're sounding so unbiased right now 🙄

And where is this 'quote' from exactly? The main inaccuracy is that the land to which it refers in the main was Jordan.
Fixed it for you, indeed.

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm

Oh look, my comment got deleted.
What a super not totally predictable at all surprise 🥱

Why would a non antisemitic party hire poeple who openly post things like this?

If he’s a UK resident, then he will already be paying tax.

Why was the post deleted, and what did it say? I usually try to be very polite and so I am surprised, and I have just emailed MN to ask why. To be fair though, I have posted a lot and the vast majority of my posts stand so yes I am polite. And I found the accusation by the other poster about bullying to be pretty grim to be honest. But when I make an error I accept that, and I apologise. We are all human. Have you ever had any posts deleted?

If you go into youtube and type in "Iran street walk 2025" you will find a very large number of examples. It is quite an eye opener. I think that they are posted to try to counter what is said in western media or on MN for example.

Indeed.

As it happened a fair number of other posters agreed with me that you were bullying the OP
and the fact she was openly stating she would leave her own thread supports that. I was glad to see that she came back as were MNHQ. I have no idea which of your posts was deleted.

I wasn't am really sorry, I wasn't talking about you at all in that comment. I don't recognise your username. I was talking about other posters who have been on endless threads where the same issues have come up. I hope that I answered your question, and I also responded in relation to your request for examples of videos.

I am sorry but I really find your posts to be bullying. I responded to the OP saying that people who she disagreed with were posting in "bad faith" saying that was not fair; she then said she just wanted to support Jewish people (NB I am part Jewish); I then said it might be better to start a thread that is just about support. I didn't ask her to leave. And I offered sympathy about her personal situation. I am reporting your posts because I feel bullied by you because you are misrepresenting what I have said even after I have explained several times.

Also a fair number of other posters also agree with/thank me for my posts.

Where has MNHQ commented?

The Green Party saying they are not going to comment on individual members. Maybe it's time they did. They have no issue commenting on individual members of other Parties. They need to be rebranded as they bring disrepute to the sustainability and climate action cause and most of their reasonable policies are embedded in mainstream now anyway. Time they stopped hiding behind the 'green' mask and were exposed for the fanatical extremists they actually are. This is only the most recent of a long line of extreme ideologies they preach. If they are going to win seats they needed to be subject to scrutiny of their toxicity. They think they have a moral high ground but actually have the most extreme and diversive policies of any party with elected representatives. Their ideology has always been they are the only ones who are right and no room for any other views or tolerance of other perspectives. They need to be called out and binned to the corner of the cesspit they belong in.

To me personally.

Fair point.

And my comment that "They don't want an Israeli state at all" was aimed more at the morons in this country chanting "From the river to the sea" rather than at Palestinians in general or those in Gaza.

The real tragedy in this is that the people of Gaza are being held hostage as a human shield by Hamas and I don't think it's Israel that is their problem.

I suspect that but for Hamas both Israel and the people of Gaza could reach a reasonable accommodation that they both could live with.

It's a pity that international institutions like the UN and the ICC and international law itself is seemingly incapable - or unwilling - to deal effectively with non-state terrorist groups and states that promote terror in other countries.

It's international failure to deal with those issues that causes countries like the US and Israel to seek their own solutions

I do think with all of the money the Labour Party is ploughing into Net Zero there isn’t much appetite for anything the greens might come up with even if they did decide to have environmentally conscious policies again. How much more money are we prepared to pay to save the planet when other countries aren’t sacrificing themselves in the same way?

And yet, they continue to rise and rise in the polls. I used to be a Labour diehard, now I'm proud to be a Green member.

Plus they won Denton and Gorton - meaning they now have more MPs than ever before.

Perhaps people are happy with their ' extreme and divisive policies ' after all?

I think that if you read up on the history from 1917 and the Balfour Agreement, and all the various wars where more and more land was taken, and the various unsuccessful negotiations, not to mention assassinations, including of UK government negotiators who were trying to negotiate peace, I think the only reasonable conclusion would be that no, Israel and Palestinians would not be working it out if it weren't for Hamas. See also that in the West Bank in recent months it looks like land has been taken from Palestinians and something like 26000 new homes have been approved/built for Israeli settlers - condemned by the international community but still going ahead.

Re the "from the river to the sea" a lot of people chanting that don't understand what it means, geographically, I don't think, and do in fact support a 2 state solution. That is my impression when I see them interviewed.

This is not great either. But I have found the magazine and the quote - the magazine is "Israel En Guerre Dossier Raids Nov - Dec 2025 and Jan 2026" and the extract is:

Le 9 octobre 2023, l'Etat hebreu impose un "siege complete" a l'enclave palestinienne. "Pas d'electricite, pas de nourriture, pas d'eau, pas de carburant [...]. Nous combattons des animaux humains et nous agissons en consequence", declare alor le ministre de la Defence israelien, Yoav Gallant

Which roughly translates as:

On October 9, 2023, the State of Israel imposed a "full siege" on the Palestinian enclave. “No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel [...]. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” declared Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant.

And in relation to the bombardments:

En consideration de la declaration anterieure, on peut legitement s'interroger sur l'application, ou non, de la "doctrine Dahiya", qui preconise l'utilisaton de la force militaire disproportionnee lors de represailles contre des zones civiles [...] La doctrine Dahiya theorise, depuis 2008, qu'il ne faut plus faire la distinction entre cibles civiles et militaire afin d'affaiblir les ennemis de l'Etat hebreu et les dissuader de lancer de futures attaques. En detruisant les infrastructure (routes, batiments admintratifs, installations electriques, etc) le but est d'obliger l'ennemi a consacrer tout son temps a reconstruire plutot qu'a s'organiser et a se rearmer. Un concept securitaire dont les civils payent le prix fort [..]

Which roughly translates as:

In light of this earlier statement, one can legitimately question whether or not the “Dahiya Doctrine”, which advocates the use of disproportionate military force in reprisals against civilian areas, is being used [...] The Dahiya Doctrine has theorized since 2008 that the distinction between civilian and military targets should no longer be made in order to weaken the enemies of the State of Israel and deter them from launching future attacks. Destroying infrastructure (roads, administrative buildings, electrical installations, etc.) is the aim, but it forces the enemy to devote all its time to rebuilding rather than organizing and rearming. A security concept for which civilians pay a heavy price [...]

Okay, so I have just checked with MNHQ and the post they deleted was a summary of my earlier post (which is still there) which says "I am sure I speak for everyone when I say you would be 100 percent supported in simply showing support to Jewish people without the misunderstood politics and trashing of other cultures" The post which was deleted was taken out of context. MNHQ can't read the whole of every thread to see context. However, the person who reported my post probably had, which is slightly disappointing.

I would be grateful if you could stop aiming personal attacks in my direction. Thanks.

In an absolutely genuine attempt at healthy discussion, when you say "As a Jewish woman whose maternal family died in concentration camps I will always be a Zionist" what does Zionist mean to you? Is it just wanting a homeland in half of what was Palestine or do you agree with Israel expanding, taking over what was Palestine and moving into Iran/Irag/Syria?

And do you agree that it is currently Israel and not the Arab world who is saying no to a 2 state solution?

Absolutely genuine questions, I am genuinely interested in your point of view on these points.

Winning a protest vote in an area where their decisive sectarian ideology can manipulate the constituency is a long long way from gaining National power, thankfully. But it has shon a light on them, which will be good in the long run.
This thread is about them denying crimes against women. All the other stuff about why things happened or who has the capacity for being more brutal, are not the issue for this thread.
The issue is the Green Party can create a false narrative to meet their ideological hatred for whoever they decide needs to be hated. Simple as that. And because it is an ideology, anyone questioning it deserves their hate too.