To think Keir Starmer has set us up to be the target of war strikes?

[Carlie97]

He's a dick.

300 - 600 miles

You see him assassinating another leader as the slightest thing.

It's the International Criminal Court that has issued an arrest warrant for war crimes. It is not a mere opinion. If he isn't guilty he should face the charges in court like any other civilised person would.

We (the UK) didn't do that.

The US did. And Farage and Badenoch would have gone in with Trump this time around. Luckily Starmer is following international law.

Edit - clarity

Oh we did.

Google "Kermit Roosevelt (Jnr.)"

Just because you don't know, doesn't mean Iranians don't.

There has been terror in Iran, with significant numbers of civilians killed by the Americans and Israelis. I certainly dont agree or support it, but I can't see why the Iranians would use terrorists attacks in revenge.

So you think people talking about how awful a man with warrants out for his arrest for war crimes and crimes against humanity is is a bad thing 😕 Oh dear, the poor war criminals having to put up with it when people say hurty things about them. I can see why you are drawn to defend him!

US intelligence said in March of last that Iran are not building a nuclear weapon. Trump says in June last year we've obliterated Irans nuclear programme. You think that people are 'suddenly believing' that Iran isn't weeks away from nuclear weapons because Oman said so?

Your arguments are all over the place. First it was we must protect the poor people of Iran(just Iran mind, the people suffering in the rest of world well they just have to deal with it) International law be damned. Then you are acting like pro Palestinian protesters are the feral war mongerers trying to get their governments to go against international law when that is the exact opposite of what they were doing by asking them to sanction Israel and stop selling weapons that are being used go slaughter children. Now it's nuclear weapons?

I get it. You don't think Israel or Netanyahu should be criticised and will hang onto anything to try and justify that.

I know my post makes no sense that was the whole point. America and Israels justifications for breaking international law make no sense, anyone can see that what they are saying doesn't add up. Anyone who wants to that is, others will be too busy being worried about what bad things are being said about war mongerers.

I think history will show the world would have been a safer place if they had given Trump the peace prize.

Amusing as it sounds, giving in to bullies rarely ends well.

Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank are abhorrent and Netanyahu is a war criminal who should be tried for his crimes. Trump is deranged and probably trying to divert attention from the Epstein files.

HOWEVER, despite me believing this, this DOESN'T mean that I'm suddenly, unlike some, going to start wittering on about how Iran was about to sign a peace deal. Because I don't trust the Iranian regime, they're fucking awful and murdered 35,000 of their own people for protesting, murder women for showing their hair, and hang gays from cranes. And I'm happy that Khamenei is dead and that when the Iranian people were begging for Trump's support to overthrow the regime when they were being massacred, some help actually came rather than a pious lecture about international law.

It is extremely noticeable that the same people who vocally condemn Netanyahu and beg for support for Palestinians who are being massacred are now trusting Iran and turning a blind eye to its civilians who are being massacred because it's Israel they love condemning. As if Iran is following international law.

I'm happy that he is dead too. Won't catch me shedding any tears over it. I still don't agree with countries riding roughshod over international law. For me the fact it is Israel doesn't come into it even though it I'm a big supporter of the end of Israels illegal occupation. I just vehemently believe that what we have been seeing, the degradation of International law, the hounding of the International courts, the demonisation of the UN in order to push trumps new 'Board of peace' is leading us down a very, very dangerous path. It's making the world a far less safe place for all of us and people are sleepwalking into it because they love Israel or they hate Iran or don't care a bit about Venuzuala or whatever the excuse du jour to ignore the law is.

The they did it first excuse you are using for Iran is not a valid excuse because next time it might be your leader being assisinated or your kids being blown up at school or your kids being starved of aid and the world will look and shrug because thats the new norm. That's how we treat people now. I won't excuse that because I think Irans regime is bad.

If the Iranian people manage to overthrow the Iranian regime then the world hopefully will be a safer place for us. Or perhaps you’d prefer that they continue to buddy up with Russia and China and draw their plans against us? Because that’s what they’re currently doing.

If the Iranian people manage to overthrow the Iranian regime

Probably not the best time to remember classical history and the Spartan reply to Philip II. Too elitist.

Yes, but there are plenty more options. No Starmer does not equal Reform or Tories.
Starmer has lost far too much of voter's confidence.
I think he is good at international affairs. Likely because on that it will be what the Intelligence and Army tells him, right?
But look at what he did with Mandelson.....
I support him on what he is doing regarding this war. But I wish Labour had chosen other leader.

With regard to trustworthiness in international negotiations, I think it is the US who have come off worst. They were "negotiating" with Iran last week, and according to the mediators progress was being made - then; war. That is bad faith. Same in Venezuela - negotiations, then violence. Bad faith.

I am not a cheerleader for Iran, I am just pointing out that the US is out of control and what is the message this behaviour is sending? No point in negotiating with the US, at best they will tear up any agreement within a few years or more likely start bombing before the biscuit crumbs have been cleared from the negotiation room table. So where does that leave us with Russia, China, Greenland, Cuba, N Korea etc?

Completely right. The US has rapidly become one of the least Trustworthy or international partners. With their trigger happy commander in chief and unstable economic policies with regard to tariffs.

I just don't think a US president should have free resign to kill people. Whether that's using his ICE forces to kill those who disagree with his immigration policies, or the airforce to kill foreign leaders. Once you accept a US president can kill who they like where does it stop. It's very Putinesque.

They were "negotiating" with Iran last week, and according to the mediators progress was being made

Yeah, Iran doesn't really want nukes and all that super-enriched uranium is just for fun.

I don't know if you've noticed the news of Russia, China, North Korea and Iran increasingly working together, making their plans. Or the news about conscription being brought in in some European countries along with civilian preparedness plans. Or the increases in defence spending. But if you think that peace negotiations are anything other than a holding pattern while they get their pieces in place, I wish I shared your optimism/naivety.

Wasn't the FIFA one enough for him? 😂

They probably now wished they had had them, but that is by the by. By the way if the war starts to stagnate I would not be surprised if Israel uses a nuke to help move things along.

I am not optimistic, not because I believe that more war is inevitable, but because I look at so called leaders in the West and I see lightweights and windbags who have no idea how to navigate the current flux in the world order

I'm not optimistic because I see the Iranian people being slaughtered in the streets in the tens of thousands by the Iranian regime the people begging for help, and when help arrives, supposed 'progressives' who would generally consider themselves 'good people' who would normally condemn mass slaughter of innocents taking the side of the regime and saying that the people shouldn't have any help.

When we "helped" Iraq with regime change between half a million and a million Iraqis died. If Iran's current leaders murder 50,000 of its citizens a year it would still take 10-20 years before it equalled that number and a lot can happen in that time. Maybe that's why some of us are a little hesitant.

Yeah I'm not getting the 'it's obviously a good thing that Khamenei's dead but I'm worried about the exit strategy' vibe when people say bollocks like 'Iran was innocently in discussions about how it definitely doesn't want nukes when this totally unprovoked attack happened'.

I am worried about the exit strategy for Iranians. I hope that's plain enough.

I don’t think anyone would disagree with that, but there are other innocents involved and l don’t think compassion for their situation is unwarranted.