To think it will be revealed WLI cause physical aging

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Obviously the pictures of Kelly Osbourne are both sad and terrifying.

But a few women i know have also used this method for weight loss and their skin has lost elasticity. They look at least 10 years older. Is this side effect being under played?

I decided to have a dog around myself and found that in fact on a population level these drugs are actually predicated to have a positive impact on longevity. https://www.rgare.com/knowledge-center/article/rga-glp-1-study--weighing-the-evidence

I do look slim. I don’t look thin, but I don’t look overweight in clothes. I have very broad shoulders and big boobs - even though I’ve lost a lot of weight I’m wearing the same cup size. I do have a bit of weight to lose on my tummy but have very slim arms and legs. I have good muscle tone. I don’t really want to upload a picture but I don’t look fat. I appreciate that I am though, but I carry it well.

BMI is a great indicator but it isn’t a one size fits all. I’d love to be a size 10 but it will never happen, I’m just not built like that. I’m aiming to get to the top end of healthy BMI for my height but definitely no lower. And at that weight I would expect to be size 14/16 on top and 12 on bottom.

Dig, not 🐶 and I definitely look pretty damn good! I'm a bmi of 21.8 so perfectly healthy and my face looks younger than my years. People are shocked to find out I'm heading towards 50 and think I'm in my 30s

In modern terms you look slim but at size 14/16 you're overweight as you say and wouldnt look slim if it was 50 or so years ago

Nothing wrong with that, Im about a stone more than I would like to be, just bordering on overweight and I look chubby but would be described by others as 'slim'. Im about a 12/14, the sizes mean nothing becuase I know my measurements are absolutely not a size 12 , more like a 16.

I wasn’t unwell, I lost weight during Covid lockdown, not because of covid. When you’re in your 40-50’s even getting down to ideal weight can age you, it’s a fact. I look better in the face closer to 9 stone, but then I have excess weight on my stomach. Just a downside of losing weight later in life is it can age you.

Yes I dont think its outrageous or verboten to say that sometimes people look older if they lose weight. Ive lost half my body weight, I do look older, but then Im in peri and the aging started before my weight loss, my face sort of half fell off its self, and then Iost weight so that continued the journey.

I now look my age whereas before I probably looked younger than my age.

My health has benefited hugely though so Im not bothered and most people will look younger as extra weight is aging.

The two things that people go on about hugely is loose skin and aging. The two worst things that can happen to a person apparently 'oh what are you going to do about the loose skin, you'll get loads of loose skin', as if its preferable to be 10 stone overweight rather than have loose skin. Or god forbid a woman looks older, the worst female crime ever

Perhaps if we werent obsessed with these things we could focus on the health benefits of being a healthy weight, give or take a few pounds.

BMI is a great indicator but it isn’t a one size fits all

Im not a fan of BMI at all but I do like to refer to ‘smart bmi’. In fact I knew I’d never want to be even at the top of my regular BMI but when I found the smart BMI I was really happy to find that what I’d instinctively known was a great weight for me was actually what turned out to be my smart bmi.

eta - what numbers make me happy? It’s very easy. It’s the numbers I now see on my absolutely fantastic blood test results.

To be clear - losing weight hasn't aged you. You make think you look older, but that is a different thing. Losing weight will likely prolong your life, so it could be said to have youthed you, more than aged you. Which I think is more important that the relentless focus on looks over health.

BMI has such a wide range its ridiculous to dismiss it and say 'one size doesnt fit all'. Of course it doesnt, thats why each BMI range has about 3 stone variance in it and is different for different ethnicities.

The thing people are missing gaining weight also ages you. A healthy bmi is best; yes some folks will be unfortunate in terms of genetics, and have saggy faces and wrinkles, genetics and previous life style. But that’s just life. It is not everyone is, in fact go on any before and after view, most on Reddit show their faces and you can see people looo more youthful.

Agree, it’s odd, I’m mid fifties, I posted my before and afters up thread, I lost six and a half stone, and it is clearly visible I have absolutely no loose skin. Anywhere.

I had some crepy skin on my upper arms, but it disappeared totally. My face is the same, i have no jowls,marionette lines, saggy neck etc, just forehead wrinkles and crows feet which are normal.

so I just don’t get it I don’t see this ageing thing some folks go on about. On none of the before and afters.

What I do see is people irrelevant of weight, gain, loss stability, that age better than others, or worse than others, often due to diet, genetics, lifestyle etc. but that’s nothing to do with the drugs or losing weight, it would always happen to them. And yes maybe being heavier does help their faces, but in no way can that be used as a generalisation.

I’m not dismissing it, I appreciate it’s a broad range. I will definitely be at or near the top of it. I suspect even happy to be just above it. I think what I was trying to say is that people have a perception of what, for example, a size 14 looks like and weighs. But the reality is that it is very different for different people. At size 14 I look slim (I know I’m still overweight). Others will look fat at size 14. I’ll never be a 10, it’s not possible.

I don't want to trot out the 'we have lost sight what healthy weight looks like' but it's true. Size 16 woman is not 'barely overweight', never mind slim. But many studies have shown that people tend to misjudge their own weight when their social circle is heavier. So if an average woman is 16 then yes it's understandable that overweight seems average. And not big. And size 14 may seem slim in comparison, as it's smaller than average.
Medically not accurate though.

I am now often called too slim, too thin - my BMI is 20.8, could happily lose another 6-7 kilos to get close to underweight and too thin. But I do of course look slim compared to an average person - because 'average' is objectively overweight.

Well you'll notice I was careful not to use the words 'it has aged me'

My weight loss hasnt aged me at all, Ive probably added years to my life, maybe decades, who knows, or to a healthy life I should say

But I do look older, those two things are different

Me personally I have tons of of loose skin, I spent nearly 50 years overweight, had no skin elasticity before weight loss and none now, I had lots and lots of stretch marks. That sort of skin is never going to adjust, it is what it is. I have always had very thin skin

I look great in clothese, I wont wear a bikini (never have anyway!), but thats not what I did it for.

So yes, loose skin is abundant but Im not that bothered.

And I think that’s valid. And I also think you raise a good point. On skin health and how long over weight.

i was overweight for less than 5 years, menopause did for me, and of course I didn’t gain it over night, it was a slow progression up. So I don’t have lose skin when I hit goal. Being overweight for a few years will have a very different result to being overweight for 50.

I also worked out throughout, ate my protein, drank my collagen, did a mix of strength and cardio exercises 5-6 days a week, still do, protected my muscle, and moisturised all over daily, as the moisture and the massage motion helps skin.

so some people will have loose skin, it will be unavoidable. Others will not, and many factors will play into what you end up with when you hit goal.

but you’re right, you will have added years to your life, and your internal organs will very likely be less aged, and much more healthy.

i think nearly all of us doing this legitimately do this for health first and foremost. I was becoming really quite ill, with very high blood pressure and sleep apnea. It was difficult to function if I’m honest, as I was exhausted all the time.

I think it’s great that a lot of people who were significantly overweight and unable to lose weight before have managed on the jab. Loose skin is purely from rapid weight loss and loss of collagen.

However the weight loss jab ultimately doesn’t magically solve the reason they were overweight in the first place and if they don’t work on their own eating habits and healthy habits I would imagine stopping the jab would cause weight regain. It is also not without its risks.

Personally we have had 2 people in our family who have been on them - one ended up in hospital and had her gall bladder removed - now will have life long issues as a result - and one hid her symptoms of dreadful gastro issues and significant pain for months before stopping, though she was happy with the results of her weight loss, she actually looked really poorly a lot of the time and had the reported ‘ozempic face’. She was actually grey at one point. We were terribly worried about her as she wasn’t actually particularly overweight to begin with. She’s regained most of her weight though since stopping.

Long term I would be concerned about premature loss of bone density, particularly where the weight loss jab is being used by people who don’t medically qualify for it OR are using it when they are already underweight - Kelly Obsourne for example. In females this is something we will naturally decline with in age so early progression is a huge concern.

Id imagine with the majority of people who are getting their jabs from unregulated suppliers that their bone density isn’t being checked or tracked in any way.

Whilst people say, quite rightly, it’s a medication that has been utilised by diabetics for years so their assumption is that it’s completely safe - well an diabetics other option of not using it is frankly death. The jabs are a medication with risks associated to it, no matter which way you look at it.

@Forestgreenblue I only took the jab for three weeks and ended up in hospital. I've had my gallbladder removed as I had gallstones. I didn't know but they had showed up two years prior to taking the jab. The weren't cause by it and at that point I was six stone heavier.
I was in agony. However the wli side effect saved my life as it was discovered I had a more serious illness. Had I not been blue lighted I would have died.
Thanks wegovy.

Obviously I couldn't continue with the jab but I've had no issues with my gut since.

They showed up 2 years prior though ?

I believe if they are unsymptomatic and at a size where they can possibly pass naturally then they are left in situ - however as you said you ended up being blue lighted to hospital and I am presuming in pain (so now symptomatic after weeks of using the jabs) leading to you having your gall bladder removed. I’d hardly say this is a good result of taking the jab.

On a further note gall bladder removal surgery is massively increased in the NHS at the moment because of the suspected link of the jab - which is reported and being reviewed on.

The experience of your family members isn’t representative of most users. The person who suffered terrible gastric issues should have either stopped taking the jab or reduced the dose. They certainly should have sought medical advice. It’s irresponsible use of prescription medication like this that lead to people saying that the jabs are bad for you.

Personally I’ve had no side effect since the first couple of jabs, I am eating healthily and normally, ensuring I eat adequate amounts of protein and exercising regularly. I’ve only increased the dose when I felt I need to. I’ve lost weight very slowly and I feel fantastic. That’s my experience, and you’ll find it’s the experience of many many people.

I didn’t say our experiences with family members is representative of most users though did I. I simply pointed out what we had experienced. I’m sure a lot of people, like yourself, have no issues however the fact remains that a lot of people do have issues. I’ve also said it’s not a bad thing - I’m sure for a lot of people it’s been an absolute game changer for them.

And yes I agree that my family member should have stopped the jabs when they were experiencing pain - but how many people out there are also experiencing pain but loving their weight loss? I’m sure there are people out there who are choosing to continue their weight loss rather than listen to their body.

God fat women can’t win, can they?

If they’re fat, they’re disgusting and unhealthy.

If they loose weight they’re haggard, old crones who have ‘cheated’ to loose weight.

A lot of thin women have a massive superiority complex.

Exactly this.

I don’t think it will be revealed, it’s pretty obvious. The question of whether or not it’s a bad thing is then down to the individual. Health wise it’s arguably a non issue.

That’s a letter to an editor from a random chinese scientist not a peer reviewed paper. Also, it says there have been no such effects observed in humans. Quite clearly. The effects mentioned were in rats given HUGE amounts of the drug. If you’re going to post ‘scientific evidence’ please at least read and understand it.

The biggest comorbidity for gall stones and gall bladder problems is obesity

Fat, fair, female, fertile (semi myth)