To think it will be revealed WLI cause physical aging

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Obviously the pictures of Kelly Osbourne are both sad and terrifying.

But a few women i know have also used this method for weight loss and their skin has lost elasticity. They look at least 10 years older. Is this side effect being under played?

Losing weight quickly has always resulted in saggy skin.

I think sizes are completely irrelevant. I have friends who squeeze into sizes that just don't fit imo; they still think they "are" that size, even though with their shape I would choose one or two sizes larger. Plenty of people have their stomach spilling over their jeans. Meanwhile my mum buys every top to cover her hips, so gets some ridiculously large sizes for her relatively slim frame.

37.7 BMI is definitely obese.

Yes so many people can’t identify a healthy weight now. So it stands to reason they can’t identify obesity either, most people a size 16 will be in the obese or overweight category, unless very tall. Sure some outliers, but as a general yard stick they likely are. And many would say oh but they are just a bit chubby,

same for low end of a healthy weight, I’ve lost count of the amount of clearly healthy weight model images posted where someone thinks they are underweight and some posters agree.

as two thirds of the population now are overweight, it’s very difficult for people to judge it on appearance. There is also the mental health impact where they don’t want to think someone is obese as they are the same size, or they don’t want to think that the model is a healthy weight, as what does it say about them.

i saw a thread a while ago, where the poster proclaimed at a size 18 she was a healthy weight, as she was just one size above average, for her average meant a healthy weight. But average is overweight to obese.

at a size 16 I was obese, toppling into the bmi 30 range, and at an 18 I was a 32 bmi, as im quite tall I’d say most people would have said at a 16 I was a bit chubby, I wasn’t.

I'd agree sizes aren't always relevant because there's so much vanity sizing going on. But to say that a "size 14/16" is "barely even overweight" isn't true and that's the point I was making. Looking at someone who is an "average" size doesn't mean that average is healthy. I didn't have to "squeeze into" those sizes, I wasn't in denial, they literally all fit me. But I also wasn't in denial that I was obese. But there seems to be the assumption that these "average" size 14/16 people shouldn't qualify for WLI but the absolute vast majority would.

Also, I was saying that a BMI of 37.7 wasn't just obese. It was bordering on morbidly obese.

I agree with this. Several people have said to me since i
lost weight that they didn’t think I was very overweight before. But I was, I’m 5’6 and was wearing a size 16/18 and was 14 1/2 stone. My starting BMI was 33. I’m now 2 stone lighter and wearing a size 14 and my BMI is 28 but people are telling me how thin I am! I’m technically still overweight.

I’m not aiming for a low BMI as I do genuinely have a large frame, nothing less than a 14 will ever fit me on the shoulders. Maybe BMI 26. But I realise now that I was very very fat before. People’s perception of weight and what is healthy has become skewed.

Yes we are seeing a lot of that, people being told not to lose more, that they are skeletal, lost too much etc, when they are still overweight in many cases.

the one thing we know is you can’t really judge a bit chubby v obese by sight alone in many cases.

Probably been said already but I should think she had buccal fat removal when her body fat was higher. Now that she's on WLI her body fat has plummeted so her face now looks very emaciated, more so than her body. I think the lip fillers exacerbate it too.

I'm a size 16 with a BMI of 27. Down from BMI 43. However I'm 180cm with a huge bust (38j).
I am aiming to lose another stone but like the pp I will never get my chest into less than a 14. I wear dresses for work, so that's a pain.

Had I been younger I would have had a breast reduction. I wear a lot of my vintage clothes again and they are tiny.

Yes we are seeing a lot of that, people being told not to lose more, that they are skeletal, lost too much etc, when they are still overweight in many cases.

Oh come on ... To be overweight you need a BMI of 25 plus. No-one looks remotely "skeletal" at that weight. I accept they might not look "fat" but suggesting people would say they are skeletal is over-hamming it.

You'd be surprised. I've lost 5 stone and am still a stone heavier than my ideal top weight for my height. I am objectively not 'too thin' or even anywhere near skinny.

But I do look dramatically different to before and my face is much thinner (and as has been pointed out, look a bit less....fleshed out and fresh? I don't think I look old necessarily but my fatter face has a sort of youthfulness it doesn't have any more. I never get IDed any more and I used to all the time booooo).

I've had a couple of people express that I'm too thin, I don't look well, they're surprised I was allowed to keep ordering the jabs etc. It's obviously not true, and they're being objectively ridiculous because I am still firmly overweight, but I think the drastic change and the contrast of before/after skews people's perceptions a lot. They're comparing me before to me now, rather than me against a general, objective idea of weight.

Did you misunderstand my post, and the post I was quoting maybe? I am saying the same thing, we see plenty of posts from people on here saying people have said they are too thin etc and they are still overweight.

its v common, many people can’t judge weight any more. They see predominantly overweight and fat people and it becomes their standard, so anyone above this is a bit chubby, anyone below is thin. And it’s far from reality.

I was told recently I look too thin. This is BMI 23 but I started at BMI 38 so people are used to seeing me a lot bigger and they are used to a U.K. average of a size 14/16

Oh come on ... To be overweight you need a BMI of 25 plus. No-one looks remotely "skeletal" at that weight. I accept they might not look "fat" but suggesting people would say they are skeletal is over-hamming it.

My BMi is 23 now and although no-one has called me skeletal, there have definitely been a few comments that have hinted at me getting too thin, or the concern is that I will get too thin. It's ridiculous. I still have a generous arse and big boobs for a start, at 8 stone 10 and 5' 2.

I know women who have been naturally thin and sparrow like their whole lives, they turn sideways and I struggle to imagine how they fit all their organs into their torso, they are so, so tiny. But they are perfectly healthy, not anorexic, just genetically predisposed to be that way.

I am very, very far from looking like that and I honestly don't think I ever could be, unless someone locked me in a dungeon and literally starved me. Even then, I'd probably look ghastly and ill and simply die before I ever reached the stage of teeny-weeniness that these women are.

That's exactly it. They wouldn't think some random stranger with a BMI of 23 is too thin, but they think you are because their brain can't compute that it's actually you. It messes with their perception of how you should look.

Some of that though is muscle loss isn’t it - weight loss injections absolutely require strength training to prevent muscle mass and it is that I think that is partly the issue.

Just like any medication used correctly and with the recommendations it is an amazing drug

not used correctly well

That’s true of pretty much any diet if you aren’t weight training and making sure you get enough protein though.

Weight loss in general. There is no difference to losing weight via WLI or just losing weight without the medication.

And how much extra would you be willing to pay for all this additional support you neither want nor need basically to pacify people who still won't be happy? The only person you're responsible for is yourself. Just use the medication properly and seek advice if you're worried. I really don't want to get educated on health. I know. Now I have this amazing tool I'm living my best life.

My BMI is 23.7 I am short and delicate boned. Yesterday (visiting a friend / acquiantance) and I asked for a small portion of dinner - not because I'm on WLI's, but because to maintain my small frame and short body, I only need to eat a small portion, and actually feel awful if I eat a huge portion. Friend / acquiantance was horrified - "but you are wasting away". I am not. I am somply doing what is right for my body.

Friend is tall and broad. Probably not overweight. And her tdee will be substantially more than mine.

Well that's brave of you - and helpful to the discussion to have an actual image not lots of talk about dress sizes etc.

I'd call that "average" in the sense I think you look mid-range of healthy BMI - and I see that's bang on.

I don't think it would be fair to call you skeletal - and the people I am referring to who have taken the WLI and didn't need it look a lot thinner (that's not being rude, to clarify: you look perfectly healthy to me).

Well the poster above has helpfully posted an actual image for us all to anchor the discussion around. She looks lovely - not the skeletal I am referring to.

I don't want to reference celebrities as it's mean.

There might be a bit of that too - but there are also people who really didn't need it and are now positively and objectively too thin.

There are a lot more of these people in expensive London boroughs these days. It takes me back to the heroin chic era of the 90's when I was a girl.

I was obese at a size 12 and overweight at a size 10 (short)

even now I’m a size 4-6 and my bmi is 22, bang in the middle of the healthy range but there won’t be any clothes to buy if I got lighter 😂

I agree: clothes sizings are not a helpful barometer of healthy weight.

The issue I see is there are 2 very different types of results. Those who are obese and lose weight to get to healthy and those who are not and lose weight to get to ‘thin’. The messaging to both though is the same because regardless of the start -> end point, the result is someone who looks very different to what people have gotten used to.

I find it very galling that 30 years being abuse for being fat mainly by strangers who would hurl insults out of car windows or as they passed me in the street but also by peers all through school and a lot of my work life. Now I’m a lot slimmer I get ‘concerned’ comments from friends and family about being too thin and to read all the threads and news stories about ozempic face, or WLI looking skeletal/haggard/old/wizened….

There is no winning in this game, no matter what anyone (any-woman) does it will always be criticised and mocked.

This was starting point, seeing as I’ve posted my end point earlier I thought it would be useful to see the comparison.