My DH has been brainwashed by tick tock conspiracies

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It’s a bit long but I’m unsure how to deal with this behaviour.

during lockdown my DH ( previously was never into anything like this. was very normal, works in a hospital) fell into a habit of listening to conspiracy podcasts - he thought it was interesting and I didn’t think much of it. This hobby has carried on but increased and the last 3 months his behaviour is really off.

examples

No longer wants to vaccinate our children (oldest 2 are fully vaccinated, baby has had newborn jabs but not one year yet)

wants to home educate because he believes the schools are full of paedophiles and other kids ‘shed’ vaccinations. He doesn’t actually want to do any home ed. I think it’s something called unschooling but we both work full time. I’ve asked him for a plan on how he thinks it will work and he can’t tell me.

won’t let children socialise outside of school. Has removed them from clubs (for the same reasons as above.

wont socialise with vaccinated people (included our families)

wont drink Tap water. Baths in bottled water

refusing to pay council tax as it’s a made up scam (I do pay this 😂)

believes NASA/ moon landing/ 911/ holocaust ( and a long list of other things) is made up

That’s just the tip of the iceberg really…

I’ve tried to talk to him about it but he gets really angry and starts ranting.

who on earth do i talk to about this? I know he’s allowed his own beliefs but he’s dragging our children into it and the way it’s escalated I’m a bit scared xx

Baths in bottled water

I would like to know a lot more about logistics of this one.
Tap water had unpleasant taste where I grew up so we had 5 gallon containers & a water dispenser. It was a pleasure when I was big enough to replace the top loader (see pic).

I imagine that "bathe" just means splashing on/off skin, not actually soaking, also maybe bathing isn't daily, so maybe could use just one 5 gallon top-loader/week, if as little as 1 gallon/bath day. Does CostCo sell top loaders? But if the 'bath' means actual soaking and daily baths, that's like 5 gallons/day. Also, wouldn't the family soap be contaminated by the tap water? I presume he uses bottled water to brush teeth, like you would in many poor countries.

Am also thinking does this guy not join in family meals because they could require using tap water to cook, and also he needs a separate kettle if he wants any hot drinks to avoid the tap water contamination.

Is he not bothered about BPA that is in most plastic that comprises the water bottls?

ps: what did TikTok say was wrong with tap water anyway, that requires not bathing in it?

pps: this DM article is briliant. Apprarently you only need to stop having take-aways coffees to afford a bottled-water-bathing habit. Who knew?

It’s literally the opposite of “smart”. Believing nonsense that you’ve heard online without any credible evidence and no critical thinking. It’s scarily unintelligent.
How do you explain the diseases we have eradicated with vaccines? Diseases we used to die of?

Might be sarcasm, I can't be certain. But surely we can agree that there are pedos everywhere, if nothing else, that's irrefutable. Regardless, if op feels scared, she should leave

What does shedding vaccine mean? I would google but afraid of the repercussions

Some people believe that the spike protein that the vaccine induces can be exuded by vaccinated persons and passed onto people in contact or nearby. Unverified

The reason they don't want to be in contact with shedded spike proteins is they also believe the spike protein causes heart attacks and blood clots. Unverified

The explanation for what the spike protein is is below, please note this is copied directly from the CDC website:

• After vaccination, the mRNA will enter the muscle cells. Once inside, they use the cells’ machinery to produce a harmless piece of what is called the spike protein. The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. After the protein piece is made, our cells break down the mRNA and remove it, leaving the body as waste.
• Next, our cells display the spike protein piece on their surface. Our immune system recognizes that the protein does not belong there. This triggers our immune system to produce antibodies and activate other immune cells to fight off what it thinks is an infection. This is what your body might do if you got sick with COVID-19.

We are not able to separate ourselves from the harmful enviroment.
So we adapt. Instead of taking kids out of school - teach them how to say NO to unwanted attention from adults and how important is to flag it to parents. Poluted water- your body is an incredible resilient machine- can cope with polution.
Food- cut on sugars processed food and your body with cope with everything else.
Fear is most damaging ! If your husband cant adapt to the wrold we live in- he will be best living isolated life alone...in fear.

Weather Modification Inc’s statistics don’t cover the company in glory.

“translating [seeding materials] into significant, measurable, and consistent precipitation increases remains challenging.”

Increases in rainfall are “not statistically significant” (I.e. barely measurable)

They have “35 aircraft”, ie not many

“Gains in precipitation” range from 3-15%

Gains are “hard to distinguish from natural variability”

Results are “not supported by evidence”

These companies exist. They are dotted about, and yes, sanctioned by governments. There’s no cover-up - it’s absolutely not a secret. They are not particularly successful, experiments are not widespread and it’s not sinister.

You are debating the scale of which they are doing it, but my answer to the original question is still correct, weather modification was the crackpot conspiracy theory 50 years ago, and now there are companies that perform the services, openly available. Multiple companies. And a 15% increase in precipitation might be very significant depending on what the original volume was. 30cms of rain could become 34.5, thats significant in terms of rainfall.

In addition to the 35 aircraft, they have the ground based devices, and that is only for this 1 company, there are multiple companies. 35 aircraft is quite alot really.

They have been refining their craft for the last 50+ years, most of that time it WAS hidden, and denied, and people who found out WERE called conspiracy nuts, hence why I used this as an example of the a conspiracy theory from 50 years ago.

Surely 100 million gallons is significant?? Its used in 50 countries. But this is after decades of denying it even existed

Paedophiles are everywhere. Not just Hollywood. The ones you need to worry about are the ones close to home. The ones that conspiracy theorists care about are made up. Remember pizza gate?

It still very much is the crackpot conspiracy du jour.

Throughout England, people are convinced that ordinary commercial flights, flying over fields near their house, are ‘spraying the skies’.

Read judiciously. This (according to whom?) is what it can achieve, when conditions are perfect. Not what it does, routinely, achieve. According to which metrics or scientific measurements remains unclear. It reads rather like someone has thought of a number. It also doesn’t specify across which region.

The source is also hidden. Who has stated this / where did you find it? Has it been verified or fact checked, and it so, against which criteria? Anyone can think of a nice round number (‘100 mill’) and stick it online.

Your husband sounds crazy but you thinking “council tax is a made up scam” sound just as crazy.

I’m not sure it’s ever been denied or a cover up. I even remember it mentioned as far back as the early 1990s when studying A Level Geography!

The scale and extent and efficacy, however, have all been distorted by social media.

It’s nothing to be concerned or get exercised about.

I take your point about it being scoffed at fifty years ago. However I was only two years old, fifty years ago, so can’t really comment on attitudes back them.

Is pizza gate part of the epstein files?

I know I answered flippantly but it does sound like a mental health crisis. And if not, then it’s self radicalisation.

Goodness - glad you are away from him.

It’s interesting how many stories I hear like this. How people’s partners (and usually male partners) became fully radicalised on a number of issues during lockdown.

A friend split with her long term partner during lockdown due to his beliefs on Covid, vaccines in general and him becoming a massive racist.

The thing with conspiracy theories is that they often take a very small seed of truth and exaggerate it massively, they layer in lies because that’s how effective deception works, it’s much easier to get people to believe a story if you can anchor it to a verifiable fact.

Ring nhs 111 option 2 and they will advise. Your dh has got mental health issues and needs an assessment. He needs to see his GP , but l imagine that isn't going to happen. Unfortunately mental health care is a disgrace in this country. Many years ago he would have got the help needed, but since shutting down many hospitals for care in the community, people are being let down, as there is no care in the community.

You are in a an awful place, he wants to socially isolate you all, already started with your dc, it will get worse, l can assure you. Sorry l am all doom and gloom but you have to face facts. The sooner you reach out, you may be able to somehow stop it going any further. People usually only get admitted to a mental health facility if they are going to harm themselves or others, even then it doesn't guarantee a bed. I really hope you can get him the help he deserves.🙏

Cloud seeding and crackpot weather modification theories are not the same thing at all. Cloud seeding was always mainstream science, and it doesn't have anything to do with the pseudoscience these people believe in.

The USSR claimed they were using it to keep rain away from the opening ceremony of the 1980 Olympics. At least that was part of the commentary at the time.

Cloud seeding we know can and has been used. It's the extent and purpose that slides into conspiracy. Its the cloudseeding and spraying skies overlapping. The guys I know both believe its systematically being done, that 'they' are 'psychotic bastards poisoning us' . They believe that the weather is being daily manipulated and the rain we have at the moment is planned and designed to cause depression and illness so we 'don't see what else they are doing'. Every plane going over is spraying and pilots are paid to poison us. When I pointed out pilots are poisoning themselves then, they said pilots are chosen based on not having families so no reason not to, as they get paid handsomely to do it.
I know a pilot, he has a family. 🤔
It's the take the reality and blow it up into something else.

Op have you read the other thread about the woman whose husband has recently been sectioned? Some of the signs she mentioned seems familiar with your DH

Unfortunately it turned out to be true

This is the problem...it didn't turn out to be true.

The conspiracy theory was that governments, scientists, evil geniuses or whoever were developing, or already had, technology that would allow them to 'control or modify the weather'. Making it rain to keep people indoors during times of unrest. Making it sunny to get them outside as a distraction. Increasing the temperature to push global warming agendas. Poisoning them with toxic clouds.

Governments always denied this, because it wasn't true.

Cloud seeding has been used in commercial agriculture as far back as the late 1940s. It's never been kept a secret, and people have never denied it's existence. People largely weren't aware of it because it never took off, and it never took off because it's not very good at doing what it's supposed to, which is increasing precipitation.

What it's not supposed to do, was never intended to do and absolutely, categorically can't do, is control or modify weather, especially to the extent that the conspiracy theories suggest. The Chinese government found this out quite embarrassingly at the Beijing Olympics, when they tried - and failed - to use it to get rid of clouds around the opening ceremony. It can't make or dispose of clouds.

The scientific community is split down the middle on whether it works at all, let alone whether it's fit for purpose yet. It only works in certain environments, with limited types of clouds, for example.

It's simply incapable of controlling or impacting the weather as the 'theory' suggested. It was never supposed to.

Pointing out that cloud seeding exists is not proof that a conspiracy theory about secret weather control technology was correct. They are different things. The conspiracy theory only holds up if people are incapable or unwilling to understand that, or are just happy to pretend that one thing is another.

people will still call you stupid/crazy/conspiracy nut if you suggest the weather is bad from weather modification messing up the patterns- even though the weather modification company stocks are proudly and openly traded now.

They'd be right to, because suggesting the weather is bad because of cloud seeding technology messing up weather patterns is stupid.

excatly : Cloud seeding is a real technique, but it only nudges existing clouds to release a bit more rain. Scientific studies show it cannot create storms, alter weather patterns, or cause bad weather. Large‑scale weather events are driven by natural atmospheric processes and climate change, not cloud seeding.

A certain person in our household became ‘passionate’ about particular political and religious subjects from YouTube and from scrolling headlines. The more they read on the subject, more new blurbs would come up, so it was getting a bit rabbit tunnel ish.

I accessed their device when they were in the shower and cleared a lot of viewing history at the same time an update was pending.

It refreshed content from what they were seeing although they noted their ‘theme’ had disappeared so the update was blamed for that (they are not electronically minded to know better but do understand about spyware and cookies).

Coupled with that person getting headaches looking at their device for too long, and discovering the device reporting how long they had been on line each day, they have pulled back.

i told my cousin and a friend and both were horrified I had done that. However it worked and I haven’t done it again.

Hope that helps on the chance you return home.