Dual citizens with expired passports

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Don’t know if there is a thread on this already so happy to join an existing one if that is the case.
Posting in Aibu for traffic. Don’t care if iabu or not. I just need to fly to the UK next week and UK passport is expired.
I could fly almost anywhere in the world on my eu passport so it is ironic I am technically locked out of my country of origin but that’s where I have a work meeting spontaneously scheduled for next week. I would literally fly in the morning and out on the evening.

Anyone else in a similar position?

Apparently these airlines are accepting expired passports:

British Airways
easyJet
Lufthansa
Singapore Airlines
United
Virgin Atlantic

Anyone actually had success with this yet? Or works with the airlines and can confirm passengers will be allowed to travel?

It's a choice - you want to have an option of British citizenship you have to play by the rules. It's normal in many EU countries. My first country always required their own national documents from me and then from my children. They won't let you leave the country without it. It's not disgusting. These are the rules.

What if you don't want to have the option of British Citizenship, you just want a layover at Heathrow Airport without complicated bureaucracy and a hefty 500 pound fee?

You also need the UK citizen parents birth certificate, the British grandparents birth certificates and their marriage certificate.

According to the list that you get given you also need the non-UK grandparents details. I have heard from friends that this isn't strictly necessary, otherwise it would cost me over 300 euros in certificates and legalised translations.

bringing in a new rule: OK

bringing in a new rule and then not telling anyone about it until just before it starts: quite annoying

Edit: the passport office lost all the paperwork for my kids first time round, delayed the whole process for months

What follows is my undertstanding of all this so don't rely on it:

If by "layover" you mean arrive LHR, enter UK to go to hotel for say a night, then leave UK again next day then my understanding is yes, if you're a UK dual you'll need an ETA and you'll need a UK passport/associated paperwork if applicable.

Only exception appears to be an airside transit, international to international, at LHR (and I think MAN), where since you don't enter the UK/go through UK Border the new rules don't apply.

just a gentle reminder that it also affects dual citizens who live in the UK. Till I get a passport I can't return to the UK if I have to leave. Incidentally I have got a holiday booked in a few weeks. It was booked well before this was finally announced and I haven't been able to apply for a passport because I have needed it to travel for work. Uggh. Not sure what to do now.

Anyway As I said previously I don't mind if the state insists I have a British passport though more notice would have been great. I do mind that people can enter with an expired British passport (which is null and void and a completely useless piece of paper in every other circumstance) but not with a naturalisation certificate.

@CrackersAndCaviar I think its the case that they will still need a valid PP to enter the UK (can use other nations PP), but UK aitizens without a valid UK PP can use an expired UK PP as evidence that they are UK Citizens (so they aren't travelling on an expired PP - just using it as evidence).

Okay im about to book.
do I have better chances with Lufthansa or British airways?
im hoping BA staff will be better informed than Lufthansa?

BA vs Lufty?

You'd hope BA would be better informed, having their operation based at the UK end, but a lot will depend on how defensive BA managment are about all this in the early days and then what info they promulgate to outstation staff/out station subcontractors...

Good luck...

No that wouldn’t work as if you try to use a non UK passport to board your flight they would deny you as you don’t have an ETA. Which you can’t get as you are a UK citizen.

No, can’t travel in on the foreign passport as that would require an ETA, which UK citizens cannot obtain.

They were not born in this country- never lived here- how can they be British??

An expired UK passport is not null and void for entry into the UK. It has always been classed as a valid travel document for that purpose and also for proving UK citizenship in all other circumstances, such as proving right to work to employers. However, it can’t be used to enter any other country so would in the past have rarely been used to enter the UK.

A UK citizen cannot get an ETA.

Crap.

Previously DS travelled to visit family back home on his Italian passport. My British passport is well out of date and the process of renewing is a nightmare. I assume it’ll be as much fun for him to get one for himself ?

My children were not born in Britain and never lived there yet they automatically got British citizenship at birth.

Yes but it costs around £1000. cheaper to get a passport.

British citizens need to enter the UK on their British passport. Very sensible.

I'd get caught out here; my British passport is in my married name, whilst my EU one is in my maiden name (the country doesn't acknowledge 'married' names. Luckily I always keep both going.

Of course, if the UK introduced an ID card, free of charge as it is for most EU countries, then that could be used.

Its insane. Not the rule, the short notice. Especially for parents whose kids have never held a uk passport.

I have family members in the united states whose kids are dual citizens. One of them just had a baby so has to navigate getting both passports for a newborn. And you are required to provide original birth certs for all grandparents - even the non British ones! (Why???) At short notice this can be really difficult - maybe grandparents are away. (I don't hang on to my parents birth certs...)

The USA has long had this rule - although in my experience its not strictly implemented, they are not allowed to refuse entry to a US citizen but I think airlines can refuse entry. At the border they will tell you off though. But obviously its a long standing rule and people make sure to have an up to date us passport.

The only way you can try to circumnavigate this UK passport fiasco that i can think of is to fly into Dublin, take a train to Belfast and fly or sail over to the UK. I really don't see how they can stop you doing that. Aer Lingus yesterday implemented that you need a passport, not just photo ID on their UK-Ireland flights due to this issue. I think BA still allow you to fly with photo id though, if you are a UK or Irish citizen.

Madness....

It wasn’t introduced at short notice as it was stated last year Brits wouldn’t be entitled to an ETA but obviously people are not checking entry rules, because you would assume its the same, but that also means no insurance will pay out if you can’t travel as onus is on the traveller to know entry rules.

The dual national issue has caught many people out, mainly decedents who didn’t know they were automatically British. Realistically the UK government doesn’t know who is british or not, but if you’ve got a child travelling on an Australian p/port for example with a parent with a British p/port they are going to know they are likely British, and prevent you from boarding.

Is someone just learning how nationality works? Cute.

And yes, as others have said, the UK is bringing itself in line with many other countries who have had this rule in place for many years, Australia for example only lets its citizens enter on an Australian pport.

British nationality is based upon the nationality of your parents when you were born.