Dual citizens with expired passports

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Don’t know if there is a thread on this already so happy to join an existing one if that is the case.
Posting in Aibu for traffic. Don’t care if iabu or not. I just need to fly to the UK next week and UK passport is expired.
I could fly almost anywhere in the world on my eu passport so it is ironic I am technically locked out of my country of origin but that’s where I have a work meeting spontaneously scheduled for next week. I would literally fly in the morning and out on the evening.

Anyone else in a similar position?

Apparently these airlines are accepting expired passports:

British Airways
easyJet
Lufthansa
Singapore Airlines
United
Virgin Atlantic

Anyone actually had success with this yet? Or works with the airlines and can confirm passengers will be allowed to travel?

The UK High Commissioner to Australia first posted about this on social media in January.
Just a few week's notice.

Not enough to obtain a first passport for citizens by descent, who are first required to get their UK grandparents' and parents' birth and marriage certificates, then post them around the world along with their current passport. Would you want to send your passport away and wait weeks/months for it to come back, especially if you have family overseas?

Apparently DD is a UK citizen, I her mum was born in London and she was born in the Netherlands after July 2006. My question is, is she really a dual citizen because in her circumstance the Netherlands don’t allow dual citizenship. However, she renewed her Dutch passport last year when she was 17 and thus wasn’t required to renounce a citizenship (we weren’t aware she had). Tut, why are citizenship rules so bloody confusing.

Children born with Dutch nationality + another citizenship can keep both so she is still a British Citizen

Yes, unfortunately she is a British citizen under UK law (assuming you were a British citizen otherwise than by descent when she was born) even if Dutch law does not allow dual nationality. The law in The Netherlands cannot simply override the entitlement to citizenship in another country.

Unfortunately the normal solution to this is for the person to get a certificate of right of abode, which costs £589.

I am a bit confused by this change which affects a relative who has dual nationality.
If she flies back to her home country for a holiday, does this mean she cannot buy return flights (you usually have to give passport details).
It would be natural to use her other passport to enter her home country.
Or is this mainly for passport control, rather than Airlines?

My DH and our DS are duel citizens. We live in the UK and so far they only have UK passports, but if they travel to the country where they also have citizenship they can get in on just Uk passport, but cannot leave on one, so if either decides to work and/or reside over there they’ll now need TWO passports or it could be no dice at either end. The galling part is that if we were still in the EU none of this would be an issue.

It's fine if she has both passports - not fine if she only has one for her 'other' nationality and not a British passport.

It's actually more of an airline issue, not a border one:

Cannot obtain an ETA if you are a British citizen because computer says no;

Without the ETA, the airline will not let you board the plane back to the UK

To be fair, I think that it's very likely to become an issue the other way too, once the EU imposes the ETIAS provisions - and that will be for a holiday, not if they want to live and work there:

If you are a citizen of any of the European countries requiring ETIAS or Ireland, you are exempt from ETIAS regardless of any other nationality you may hold. In this case, you must travel with the passport issued by the European country requiring ETIAS or Ireland. If your passport has expired or cannot be used, you should contact the diplomatic or consular authorities of the country that issued it, who can advise you on how to obtain a new travel document. Otherwise, you will not be able to travel to the European countries requiring ETIAS.

https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/about-etias/who-should-apply

We had real issues (as in not allowed to board) singapore airlines from London with a passport 2 days under six months. This was a decade or so ago. Good luck

For people saying ‘you can’t have your cake and eat it too’.
My parents in law both emigrated in 1920 (as young adults), over a century ago. Met and married in Australia. My husband was born in 1948. He’s now 77yo. In Australia, you need to apply for Australian citizenship by descent. Husband never applied for UK citizenship, he never wanted to - and never realised that UK citizenship would automatically apply (as it’s opposite to how you’d do it here).
Options are - after paying for all relevant birth, marriage certificates - (a) renounce citizenship 490 pounds (after proving he is British), (b) UK passport about 100 pounds or (c) a certificate to go in the Aus passport which is about 500 pounds. It’s not cheap. For us, it means that we don’t travel to, or transit through, Britain.
or, I leave him home and go by myself 😊

I think some are just so eager for some to be punished by harsher border regulations that they are just rubbing their hands together with glee when any people at all are locked out of Britain . Even when, in this case, it’s British people.

Anyway, I’m still on my mission to find people who have flown in the last few days with an expired passport + valid European one. Which airline?

If you think I should have a valid British passport because that is what you have, understood - but I don’t, and I can’t get one by next week. Unfortunately agreeing or disagreeing with you won’t get me on the plane.

I mean, people who[ve lived abroad for a long time (30 years in my case) may not tend to follow UK media and expat bloody forums...

May I ask why you don’t then surrender your British citizenship?
Is it pension and/or NHS entitlement related?
Or something more personal?

OP. Airlines have been provided with a contact number for a 24/7 UK government operation offering carrier support. If the UK government has said expired British passport is OK alongside your other passport you can insist they call the UK to confirm. That’s if they haven’t received this information about the grace period and don’t want to board you.

Hopefully this additional referral point is working for all the worried people who are not confident they can travel. It’s for carriers and not travellers so you can’t call them but there is a system in place.

I'd venture a guess that it's

1. The fact that it costs 500 quid to do so and involves masses of paperwork
2. You never know when the political situation of a country might change and you might ultimately move back, or need to care for a sick relative for a longer period of time
3. You dont want to penalize your children and grandchildren by making it harder for them to be British Citizens in the future should their circumstances allow it

The NHS and UK pension would be the last thing I'd be bothered by myself

We're not quite at the 30 year point but not far off and yes, i agree - I"ve lost track but I may have addressed exactly in a later post.

why the fuck should I? I[m as British as you are. Not pension or NHS related, I live in the EU with far better provision for both.

Pensions and the NHS are not related to citizenship, NHS is residence based, pension is contribution based.

This is happening all over the place.

I am NZ/UK duel citizen & have lived in the UK for 30 years. My DC are dual citizens too.

I had similar problems last year going from UK to NZ.

NZ have introduced ESTA like paperwork plus a tourist entry fee, and to enter NZ on a UK passport was looking to cost us a lot of ££ even though we are all NZ citizens. I had let my NZ passport expire and DD's never had a NZ passport.

It was much better for me to jump though all the necessary hoops so we all now have both NZ & UK passports. Entering NZ I use NZ passports. Entering UK I use UK passports. It was annoying & expensive but ultimately the best solution is to have a valid passport for each nationality you hold.

I don't know why the UK govt have made such a mess of this.

Interesting. I will check that they won’t try to force her to choose between Dutch and British nationality because unlike Argentina for example, the UK allows you to renounce citizenship.

Oh, deep joy.
The one consolation is that at least the country they’re also citizens of is renowned for its efficiency.

And to think, the family went through all the trouble of applying for a citizenship (involving reams of 80yo documents) they were deprived of due to historic injustice to make travel easier.

Surely you can renounce British citizenship and avoid it. How wever it's commonplace in many many countries

Will they even know that you have an expired British passport though ? Just go through the gates

Applying for a first passport where one parent is not a UK citizen is considerably longer and involves obtaining original documents (non UK parents passport &birth certificate, parents marriage certificate and applicants birth certificate), having them notorised as genuine and belonging to the applicant. Then sending them (original not copies) to the UK passport office in Liverpool..... Where you hear nothing for months.

In our experience my son's passport arrived back and all of my original documents arrived 3 months later. The whole process took nearly 6 months.

@HelenaWaiting you have completely misunderstood this issue. This is about the ability of people to travel to the U.K. - e.g. for a holiday or to visit someone. This has nothing to do with people wanting to emigrate to the U.K.