Dual citizens with expired passports

[Disturbedisanunderstatement]

Don’t know if there is a thread on this already so happy to join an existing one if that is the case.
Posting in Aibu for traffic. Don’t care if iabu or not. I just need to fly to the UK next week and UK passport is expired.
I could fly almost anywhere in the world on my eu passport so it is ironic I am technically locked out of my country of origin but that’s where I have a work meeting spontaneously scheduled for next week. I would literally fly in the morning and out on the evening.

Anyone else in a similar position?

Apparently these airlines are accepting expired passports:

British Airways
easyJet
Lufthansa
Singapore Airlines
United
Virgin Atlantic

Anyone actually had success with this yet? Or works with the airlines and can confirm passengers will be allowed to travel?

They don't want to claim Citizenship, but the British government is forcing them to if they want to go to Britain on holiday or travel through Britain to another destination. Or else they have to lie on their ETA application and hope nobody finds out. Or they have to renounce British Citizenship which involves providing loads of paperwork to proove they're British in the first place. Thanks to this rule the government will end up with a million extra 'official Brits', seems ridiculous.

Surely they would need proof that they’re British? Is an expired passport enough proof though?

My grandchildren live abroad. They were born there, but because my son was born in the UK they have to have UK passports if they want to visit as they are classed as duel citizens.

This has only really been in the news this past couple of weeks, even though it came in on Wednesday. It has been kept very quiet with very little notice. My son keeps up on UK news and what is happening and he only found out two weeks ago.
He has had to send for the children's passports to London with all their relevant paperwork with no idea how long this will take. They can't book flights to the UK until everything comes back.

Maybe a stupid question but how do they know you also hold a uk passport? My dc have 2 and I don’t think either know about the other one

It's not unusual system and a significant number of Countries do it but the communication has not been great. But the reasons for it are well established in International terms. UK is not going rogue on this. But for OP. I use the passport office from abroad and the post is tracked under a specific system and you don't hear of passports going missing in the post. That side wouldn't be a concern for me and all my family have done this with no issues. Including everything done in Berlin and even postal communication from Chile. Nothing missing or delayed in post.

@Disturbedisanunderstatement you can only travel using the expired British passport if it was issued post 1989 and the details in it are the same as the ones in your foreign passport and the airline says it’s ok, so only the airline can tell you, assuming the details in both your passports are the same.

Call each airline in turn in order of preference OP and ask the question.
From other comments on here it sounds like you should be able to gain entry on an expired UK passport.
But I would say, do the best you can to renew your passport whilst you are in the UK next week, even if it means extending your stay.
And don’t fill in the passport details for return flight until you have your new passport in your hand.

It’s not a new rule. The Uk is treating all dual nationals equally now. Everyone else that is a uk citizen but also has another nationality from Asia or Africa have always been told they need to travel to the uk on their British passport.

Just a point of clarification. I was worried about this when I heard about it 2 weeks sho as I’m going to France next week and always travel on my Irish passport. My UK one expired 6 months ago. Luckily for me this does NOT APPLY TO Irish passports.

But uk know about uk and if they enter on the non uk they want to know why you are not using uk one and will not let you in. That is the whole issue. If you have a uk passport then you have to use it. That's fine if you have the uk passport, just use it. The issue is they still want you to use a uk passport if you are entitled to one, even if you don't have one. And children can not give up that entitlement and many entitled don't even know they are and some entitlements are complex paperwork to get the passport that you need and often expensive.
If you want to travel to uk and are entitled to a uk passport you need to have one. Getting one can be expensive and involve paperwork that isn't straightforward to obtain. That's the issue.

Australia has similar although it’s more if you ever had an Australian passport you need an up to date one for entry can’t come in on English even if born in England. But doesn’t have the Australian by descent bit without ever having an Australian passport

This is the rule for so many other countries and always has been so I was surprised at how surprising this has been. I’ve heard about it a lot, but I’m an immigrant so have multiple passports - as do my British born children. It’s definitely a faff but sounds like a much better system than obtaining American passports from the uk - at least it can be done by post.

OP - if you have time before your trip, just track delivery of your passport and that part should be fine.

The uk has always had this rule it’s just now being applied to all uk citizens, no more exceptions for the ones with other developed passports. They just think it shouldn’t apply to them.

Yes, they’ve said an expired passport in exactly same name is enough.

This is only entry to UK and the common travel area means you do not need a uk passport to enter uk as a uk citizen if you hold an Irish passport, irrespective as to whether you are entitled to uk citizenship or not and traveling on an Irish passport, which over a million Irish would be. Once again Ireland and UK showing how you can have completly separate governance as Countries but get your freedom of movement and trade to work to the advantage of both Countries even during tines of security issues and divergence in external trading unions. 100 years doing this. EU can only dream of this type of common agreement.

I live in the EU and recently needed a new UK passport so just applied for the fastest service before getting to the UK then nipped into the passport office whilst there to pick it up. All very simple. I would do that - I think you’ll be able to go into the UK on an expired passport at present as it’s all so new.

Bring both passports with you OP to ensure you are not denied boarding by the airline. At passport control, once you arrive, show your expired British one to gain entry (once you check with the consulate that expired British passports are valid for entry)

I’m a travel agent in Australia and it’s caused a few issues here. Here is a link that is helpful to decipher if someone is a British citizen or not.

https://www.gov.uk/check-british-citizenship

Born outside the UK it depends if their mother or father was a citizen; when they were born (there are three year brackets) ; and if their parents were married when they were born.
With the Polish example above, if the mother was not born in the UK but rather naturalised she may possibly not be entitled to pass her citizenship to her children (as it usually stops at one generation) so worth checking that out.

To my knowledge no one has actually been denied boarding yet but early days!

I don’t think it’s that people don’t think it should apply to them. It’s just that many British Citizens have dual nationality, but as they only plan to visit the UK from time to time and don’t outstay their welcome on their foreign passport there seems very little point in having a British passport. For my family it means a holiday to visit friends and family will cost nearly £400 more and children’s passports only last 5 years!

I’m pretty sure school trips are exempt.

They... don't? Its about being able to even travel to the UK for a holiday?!?

Is this right? That if you do have a right to the nationality, but you never got around to get a British passport, you cannot enter UK today? Like, let's say, with your Australian passport?
That sounds crazy to me!

You should be able to get your passport renewed at the UK embassy of the country you live in and avoid any issues in future.
It is a pain in the arse, I know!

It definitely affects those on lower and fixed incomes disproportionaly (no surprise there). If you are married, for example, to a Bulgarian and living in Bulgaria with children it could cost you half your disposable monthly income to get it all sorted for a week seeing grandparents.

We’re in this situation - British (actually dual citizen) husband, I am not British, we live in the EU. Children are technically British but were not born there, never lived there though visit frequently. They have never had British passports and have always travelled on EU ones. My husband applied for their ETA last year and they were granted it and it’s still valid. Now my son goes to UK on a school trip next week and we’re so worried he’d be denied entry! No chance to apply for a passport or this (extremely expensive) certificate of entitlement.

We have also followed the news and UK developments and we have not come across this information until very recently :(

Do you think that the fact he’s had an ETA issued makes a difference? Or can they still deny him entry? I understand that now you wouldn’t get an ETA in his situation. I’m not sure why it was ever possible, a glitch or random moment policy change?

The communication around this has been terrible. I'd not heard about it. Luckily we already have uk.passports for the kids.