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cornflakecrunchie · 26/02/2026 17:41

..of asylum seekers..
On the news. Are we supposed to be impressed? They are just being shuffled elsewhere, aren't they?

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Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:11

No one has a right to steal. Theft is inherently wrong.

mollypuss1 · 27/02/2026 13:13

ForNavyOP · 27/02/2026 13:05

You're experiencing pushback because your claim is ridiculous.

This isn't Les Miserables, people aren't being convicted for stealing bread or formula milk to feed themselves or their families, it's that when people are presented with high costs of things, they will happily buy things at reduced costs from criminals. Even if they could afford them.

The massive increase in criminality when wars or costs of living crises happen isn't a consequence of poverty, it's criminals seizing the opportunity to steal and sell things because they know people will buy them.

The widespread theft of high-value items from supermarkets isn't desperate Mothers stealing formula, it's highly organised criminal gangs stealing things they know people will buy because the people they sell to don't want to pay full price. Meat, alcohol, beauty products, formula, cheese.

No-ones stealing bread, veg or pulses :) that would actually adequately feed people.

I used to work in a pub where stealing to order was a thing 25 years ago, it was across the road from a supermarket and customers who had enough money to drink would put their order in for meat, bottles of booze, etc.

This was in the years before streaming services when buying a pirate copy of an album or film was also a thing and you'd have people coming round with a bag full of CDS/DVDS. Literally no-one needed a pirate copy of anything because of poverty, it was just a quarter of the retail price so people bought it.

Same as the people who steal huge amounts of clothing from stores and sell it 50% off. Plenty of people willing to buy it who could easily go without.

You seem to have entirely missed the point. I am well aware that my example was extreme, that was the point. It was in response to a poster claiming ALL criminals are low life, I was trying to use an extreme example of a crime which has been committed by someone who was desperate, not because they were just a low life on the rob trying to make money. I’m not disagreeing with the majority of criminals being those you have described, my example was to the poster claiming ALL criminals are low life.

mollypuss1 · 27/02/2026 13:18

Gingerbeersallround · 27/02/2026 13:06

To help me understand, please give me a breakdown of how she would spend her benefits money?

If you had ever been truly poor you would already know this. Be grateful you are not.

Plasticdreams · 27/02/2026 13:18

suburburban · 27/02/2026 10:18

Privilege?

It definitely hasn’t been easy for the working class people living here over the centuries unless you were born into wealth with civil war, few human rights till fairly recently, people living in poverty and being exploited, being able to vote as a women was only 100 years’ ago.

this seems to be forgotten

The fact that you don’t think you’re privileged says it all.

mollypuss1 · 27/02/2026 13:19

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:11

No one has a right to steal. Theft is inherently wrong.

You are correct, no one has a right to steal. However, that doesn’t change the fact that there are many reasons beyond simply being a low life why people do.

Gingerbeersallround · 27/02/2026 13:20

mollypuss1 · 27/02/2026 13:18

If you had ever been truly poor you would already know this. Be grateful you are not.

You have misjudged my situation entirely.

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:24

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:05

Know many single mums on benefits, they don't work and use UC + CB to splurge on constant takeaways and have the audacity to pay for delivery instead of just going and collecting

Benefits street is all too lucrative here.

mollypuss1 · 27/02/2026 13:24

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:24

Benefits street is all too lucrative here.

You know you just replied to yourself here?

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:25

mollypuss1 · 27/02/2026 13:24

You know you just replied to yourself here?

Yes. I wanted to highlight my previous message which others seemed to skip.

mollypuss1 · 27/02/2026 13:26

Gingerbeersallround · 27/02/2026 13:20

You have misjudged my situation entirely.

But I have judged your character perfectly.

mollypuss1 · 27/02/2026 13:27

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:25

Yes. I wanted to highlight my previous message which others seemed to skip.

Why? Did your goady post not generate the response you wanted?

Gingerbeersallround · 27/02/2026 13:27

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:24

Benefits street is all too lucrative here.

Well said and should be emphasised, especially when the money isn't spent on what is was intended for.

Happyjoe · 27/02/2026 13:30

ForNavyOP · 27/02/2026 12:39

Are Bangladeshi boys over-represented in drug-dealing, gang and knife crime in London?

They're not.

What point do you think you're arguing? because it's not the one you initially set out to argue..

And you did nothing to refute my post.

Yeah I did, you didn't want to hear it.

And by the way -
Ooooooh, not drill music!?!!

I can remember people saying that folk who listen to Marilyn Manson would be devil worshipers and that punk music was to blame for rioting. Absolute bollocks and total nonsense spun by the media..

randomchap · 27/02/2026 13:39

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:24

Benefits street is all too lucrative here.

The voice of the daily mail. Detached from reality.

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:39

Gingerbeersallround · 27/02/2026 13:27

Well said and should be emphasised, especially when the money isn't spent on what is was intended for.

Every meal for them is a takeaway. Even breakfast. Won't have cereal or porridge, they'll deliveroo a McDonald's breakfast wrap.

mollypuss1 · 27/02/2026 13:40

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:39

Every meal for them is a takeaway. Even breakfast. Won't have cereal or porridge, they'll deliveroo a McDonald's breakfast wrap.

Absolute bollocks.

randomchap · 27/02/2026 13:41

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:39

Every meal for them is a takeaway. Even breakfast. Won't have cereal or porridge, they'll deliveroo a McDonald's breakfast wrap.

Is this parody, or do you genuinely believe it?

Gingerbeersallround · 27/02/2026 13:42

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:39

Every meal for them is a takeaway. Even breakfast. Won't have cereal or porridge, they'll deliveroo a McDonald's breakfast wrap.

Yep, porridge is cheap and nutritious and leaves plenty spare for baby milk......

Budgeting isn't their strong point. Funny that the rest of us realise the importance.

randomchap · 27/02/2026 13:44

Gingerbeersallround · 27/02/2026 13:42

Yep, porridge is cheap and nutritious and leaves plenty spare for baby milk......

Budgeting isn't their strong point. Funny that the rest of us realise the importance.

Do you genuinely believe that? I mean honestly.

It's just goady bullshit.

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:44

Gingerbeersallround · 27/02/2026 13:42

Yep, porridge is cheap and nutritious and leaves plenty spare for baby milk......

Budgeting isn't their strong point. Funny that the rest of us realise the importance.

I have the misfortune of knowing these people and this is what they've directly told me.

ThisOldThang · 27/02/2026 13:44

Allseeingallknowing · 26/02/2026 18:16

Yes, those with skills needed in the U.K. are welcome. A lot of those arriving in dinghies, will be low skilled, not have qualifications and will leech on the state

Exactly. If they had any skills that we need, they'd qualify for a work visa. They're here to rinse out the taxpayer.

randomchap · 27/02/2026 13:45

Tricket · 27/02/2026 13:44

I have the misfortune of knowing these people and this is what they've directly told me.

Of course you have...

ForNavyOP · 27/02/2026 13:45

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Crikeyalmighty · 27/02/2026 13:56

@Tricket I just need to bring up something about having no spare money - am I in this position, no, but I have been and not through any fault of my own - we had a business go bust many years ago due to a big distribution company not paying us and all my spare money went on doing a liquidation and paying off any personal guaranteed lending - so I am well versed in the fact people don’t always make the wisest choices on paper but sometimes it is for logical reasons

a a lot of people private rent ( we do) and if they are receiving benefit towards this, vast amounts of people receive nowhere near what their rent actually is if they don’t have council or housing association - particularly in the southern half of the country or nicer areas in midlands and ‘up north’
would it make sense to move if things are like that- yep, but try finding somewhere that is ok and will accept benefit income or even ok income but you don’t fit their ‘multiples’ . So people end up staying put because they can’t fulfill criteria to move or the advance deposits needed before they have moved out, it moving costs! And end up using money that could be bills and food to make sure they can actually meet the rent

  1. Debt - none ever mentions this when looking at people’s budgets and a lot of people are too embarrased to list it but plenty of people who previously had ok circumstances have a reasonable amount of debt , they are loathe to bugger up their credit record so often really struggle and just carry on paying - sometimes it’s car finance debt , but often they need that car for school or nursery runs and sometimes their jobs.

On the other hand to balance things- You mention single mums not working and takeaways - one thing I am personally anti is the fact maintenance isn’t taken into account these days for benefits - I do know several getting very good maintenance and not working much at all and getting benefits - my big issue on this is that it disadvantages single mums or couples on low incomes jugglingcstuff and working their arses off who don’t get maintenance and can actually be worse off than people doing little but getting full benefits and maintenance on top . To me that’s an unfair situation -

everyone’s circumstances are different - instead of laying it all on feckless single mums or immigrants ( and I honestly do not know a single immigrant family who aren’t working and I know a few) - mainly Polish and Lithuanians, factor in I know several quite elderly comfortably off couples who have done some quite crafty things with their money and hence still get certain things or avoid huge amounts of tax - in one case kept a council flat in a very good area as second home whilst owning another nice home outright - maybe it ms allowed, but it’s extremely questionable morally -

so before we all jump on high horses I think playing the system unfortunately comes from both sides of the financial divide - it’s actually more thise getting by without benefits but also with not much in the way of assets who are stuffed!!

ThisOldThang · 27/02/2026 13:58

Crikeyalmighty · 27/02/2026 10:39

I am trying to be honest having lived there and explain why the figures look as they do - my BIL is ex CID and once told me in the UK that the figures for crime were around 78/22 - with roughly 10% ethnic population committing 22% of reported and solved crime. But and it’s a big but - many of those were also born here too and it’s not just Iraqis, Afghans etc, it’s black guys, Asians ( often fraud etc) - all are in those figures. One huge issue is people who come in legally - via holiday /short term visas etc - go on crime sprees over a short term and then bugger off - not just the UK, other places too - I’m a centre/centre left voter but I’m also quite hot on immigration and using the Danish methods - perfectly doable, but it takes consistent money and effort! I do think people looking for simplistic solutions will find there really aren’t any without ending up in a US type situation

A friend's father (Jamaican) said that he thought the introduction of visa requirements for Jamaican tourists was fantastic. He believed it was responsible for the fall in gun crime, rather than Project Trident. He claimed that Yardy hitmen used to fly into the UK, murder members of rival gangs and then fly out the same day.

None of his family were criminals and always qualified for visas, so it didn't negatively impact him/them and the drop in gun crime helped to reduce the negative stereotypes around Jamaicans in the UK.

Sensible, lawful immigration and border vcontrols help everybody (except the criminal elements).