AIBU to think a lot of people don't realise the extent to which the small boats crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit...

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...and that it's just one of the many ways in which right-wingers voting for Brexit was indistinguishable from turkeys voting for Christmas?

Why would your returning to first point of entry rule only work with small boats and not other forms of entry?

Because you don't know how those previous asylum seekers arrived. They could have been voluntarily accepted.

I guess the question is whether you find the boats/arrivals of the asylum seekers problematic. Arguably if they are processed they stop having to be housed in hotels etc, and then are either deported or integrated into society. Or indeed redistributed in the EU if you are part of such an arrangement.

Under EU rules we were able to return them to France

10,000 people crossed the Channel by small boat before we left the Dublin III Regulation - why didn't we send them all back to France?

Yes it was mostly in the back of lorries. You are sure pre Brexit people could be sent easily to first country of entry.

We had peak asylum in 2002 it didn’t happen. The DA has difficult criteria and the numbers were always minuscule. It’s not a deterrent anywhere.

It really has grown legs as a ‘fact’ but it’s just not correct. It exists it just doesn’t do what you’re suggesting. Ie send many back or act as a deterrent.

Also your figures aren't correct. Asylum claims in 2002 were 84,100 and in 2025 they were above 111,000.

Small boats were "almost never" used pre 2018 according to the UK parliamentary website. Since then around 171,000 people arrived in small boats, 95% of whom applied for asylum.

Please stop misquoting me, I never said it could be done "easily".

Yes a peak until recently. 84k is high enough for your claim the the DA acted as a deterrent to easily be shown as incorrect.

You can see the issue? Your claim that the DA sends people back to the first country of entry and acts as a deterrent just isn’t correct.

Where have you picked up on it doing much anywhere?

Which country uses it the most in your view, with numbers sent back. If you can show which EU country does this to resolve migration issues I’d be interested to know which one.

Ok I mean you kept saying we peaked in 2002. And now you are adding "until recently"....

apparently it was Germany and France who in 2024 recorded the largest number of transfers following the Dublin procedure: Germany reported 5 827 outgoing and 4 591 incoming transfers, while France reported 2 624 outgoing and 2 201 incoming transfers.

I don't think I ever suggested it would "resolve" migration issues - lol. you like a misquote don't you @EasternStandard

Do you know what you mean when you say something is a deterrent?

lol, now you are going to patronise me too.

Look, this has been fun @EasternStandard but you keep changing what you've said when you get called out on it, misquoting what I have said and now you are suggesting I don't understand what I am writing. It's slowly becoming not worth the typing....

lol to you too. I think you’ll find your claim of 84k showing a deterrent working is a bit off.

Asylum claims in 2002 were 84,100

Asylum claims in 2002 were 103,081.

Tell me, what does it mean when you say Italy "took" 3?

The 84k was main applications, the higher number includes dependants but apparently they use the main applications as the number for statistics. Compare apples with apples. 111k is still higher than 103k though.

Tell me, what does it mean when you say Italy "took" 3

I think you meant to reply to EasternStandard but 'take back' and 'take charge' are terms used in relation to the Dublin Regulation.

For clarity, you were previously comparing apples with pears, not me.

In any case I don’t think anyone can say over 100k is due to a deterrent working. It doesn’t anywhere hence ROI, Germany, anywhere having high numbers.

I’m not sure how the myth picked up and became such misinformation when it’s easy to check figures.

No I wasn't. I was comparing the 84k (main applications) with the 111k from last year 9both apples). And noting the 103k (the pears in this scenario) was still less.

Apologies, you are right, it wasn't you. Italy did only take back 3 from Germany in 2024. However they did receive 66k arriving, so you can kind of understand it.

This is from the Home Office - presumably comparing apples with apples (both figures including dependants);

A total of 111,084 people claimed asylum in the UK in the year ending June 2025, 14% more than in the year ending June 2024, and 8% more than the previous peak of 103,081 in 2002

No laws can act as a deterrent unless they’re known to be effective. The small boats trafficking gangs and the people who use them know very few ever get removed once they arrive.
I mean we have strict laws about having a passport and visas but they don’t deter anyone who is prepared to get on a boat!
Again. Dublin agreement is irrelevant. Loss of data sharing is irrelevant. Only detention and enforced removals and abandoning international protection laws would work but that’s up to the politicians and the people.