AIBU to think a lot of people don't realise the extent to which the small boats crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit...

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...and that it's just one of the many ways in which right-wingers voting for Brexit was indistinguishable from turkeys voting for Christmas?

Excellent question!

…or is it the fact that we have piss poor border control and another useless government?

And we lost access to Eurodac

It's been ten years since the vote. I think people would be much happier in themselves if they let go of the resentment and anger and just accept that the vote to leave WON, and we have left the EU.

We're not going back into the EU. End of.

Which EU country has resolved migration issues by using that?

Can you be clear on what your point actually is? You say the small boats situation is a "crisis", well is it? I thought people who hated Reform loved our open border

The UK need EU co-operation if it wants to deal with refugees efficiently.

We might not rejoin (yet) but we are rebuilding closer relationships.

But you are right, Leave won and we left the EU and immigration has increased.

I still don’t understand how people can still confuse people arriving on small boats with illegal immigrants?

I almost didn't post my original comment - (about the EU having the same problems) - when I saw this remark

But then I thought - you know what? It's a good thing if people are asked pertinent questions. Especially if they're setting up particular groups as being incapable of understanding.

however you vote, however you see things, If you're not prepared to listen to others, we are in real trouble.

Both my step daughters voted for Brexit. After Brexit they both applied for Irish passports as their father (my partner) is Irish. Annoying.

Because people don’t understand that illegal entry is still an offence under immigration laws, irrespective of whether or not someone is claiming asylum, but that we don’t prosecute because we recognise that there’s no legal route, so it’s dealt with administratively instead. They also don’t understand that those arriving on small boats are treated as new arrivals, not illegal entrants.

Another thing that people don’t understand is that Brexit had sod all effect on the arrivals of small boats. I assume anyone who thinks it does has never seen the figures for removals under the Dublin agreement, where we accepted more people than we removed. There’s this mad idea that someone could climb out the back of a lorry, claim asylum and we’d be able to just say no and put them back on the first ferry to France.

Starmer said that he would target the gangs moving people illegally, at international level. Which I think is a key point. These individuals must gather huge amounts of money, ever increasing for the look of it. Plus, let's remember that some many unauthorised entries use false passports, rather than paddling on a small boat. These gangs cannot be that difficult to spot, arrest and make an example of. But I have not seen much advance reported on this front, sadly. Only two guys arrested after purchasing enough inflatable boats and, yes, being loaded. I think Europe needs to track these guys and get rid of them. Plus putting pressures on other countries to follow up with leads into their own borders and bring this guys to justice.

@WilfredsPiesyep

People who voted for brexit got what they deserved.....

Embarrassingly wrong to think Brexit has anything to do with the small boats.
Brexit affects rules and regulations. The migrants don’t follow rules. They just travel however they can. Currently the boats are the system in use.
Pre or post Brexit once someone claims asylum they’re pretty much going to stay where they are while the system grinds through the processes.
No the Dublin agreement would not have helped. It didn’t when it was in use.

AIBU to think many people don’t understand the extent to which Brexit is nothing to do with small boats?

Brexit is always the scapegoat.

It hasn't delivered many benefits.

Question wasn’t whether Brexit was a good idea. It was whether we knew it was the main behind the boats when it’s patently not.

Maybe not the main reason but it has had a significant impact.

No it hasn’t. It hasn’t had any impact at all. Lots of things have, such as civil war and global poverty, but not Brexit. If you don’t believe me, look at the stats for removals and arrivals under Dublin.

Do you have other information that it has had no impact at all other than Dublin returns?

I’m struggling to see how Brexit is the real issue. I live in Italy now, and illegal immigration via boats has been for several years, and is still is, an issue here. To the extent that that the Navy is frequently deployed to intercept illegal boats crossing the Mediterranean. This problem exists in all EU countries bordering the Med - and from there many aim for northern Europe. Now in theory they can then be returned to their country of entry, but in practice that doesn’t happen and so with or without brexit I think the UK would be in the same position from an illegal immigrant perspective.

The issue is probably the relative attractiveness of the UK as a destination because of the, perhaps incorrect, perception that the UK benefits system is relatively generous for those with no record of contributions, and (again, maybe perception) because it’s easier to ‘game’. That probably comes down to language, a whole industry that exists in the UK to support people to maximise their benefits claims, and insufficient checks on claimants.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-brexit-small-boats-asylum-philp-b2751177.html

Frontex, the EU agency charged with monitoring and processing undocumented migrants, reported record levels this year too. They are processing those with no legitimate claim for asylum or citizenship faster than before- some critics say this is because they outsource their policy to third parties- Albania, for example, which then moves people to prisons in Libya.

Brexit or not, high income nations will always have a strong pull factor in an unequal world. There’s no simple answer to there being a higher demand for the opportunity to try your luck in the UK than there is capacity to take all who want to come.

Congrats on being wrong, there is no hope is there?