To be fine with the human race becoming extinct

[Designless]

I mean ideally not while I'm around to see it but I assume it will happen eventually and I don't care at all.

I ask this became some people do seem to care and say things Iike "if we don't have more children our species will come to an end!"

...ok and?

No reason to think billions of people will suffer. We could go extinct tomorrow with hardly suffering at all. We could decline in numbers over millions of years because we become less fertile. Some of us could evolve into something that does survive. It's not likely to be one or two of us sitting about moping thinking we are the last humans.

Your comment basically proves the point that humans can’t see value unless it benefits them.
Nature predates us by billions of years and will very likely outlast us, it doesn’t need us to ‘appreciate’ it to have worth, saying the world only matters if we’re here to enjoy it is peak human ego which is part of the problem

That’s a good point. I was thinking more of outcomes like global warming becoming so catastrophic that everyone dies of famine, rising heat, flood, war etc

Well yes. There's no reason the human race has to carry and and one day we will be extinct and the planet will be better for it.

I’m fine with people becoming extinct- isn’t it inevitable really? I don’t understand how many on this thread have a holy regard for the planet and so would choose the planet over humans. My loyalty is with humans not the planet, I think we’ve created some beautiful things- songs, poetry, music, buildings etc etc. Human kindness, nobility, courage and decency are far better than anything the inanimate planet has to offer

909%?

The last humans are going to be somebody's grandchildren.

In isolation, I agree. Why would I care if there are no humans left? I won't be around to be able to care, and there would be no other humans to care about.. and any vague concept of "the world" wouldn't care either.

People care about what happens after they die, because of the people they are leaving behind, but if there are no other people? then...

However, I don't like two themes that come up in these discussions...

The first is the anti-human, we are uniquely evil etc. We aren't. We are uniquely capable, but we aren't unique in our abuse/destruction of other species and the environment. We are just unique in our ability to understand and realize what we are doing.

The second is the association between caring about humanity, and thinking people should have children. The people worrying about the lack of births, aren't doing so because of any fear of extinction.. its a fear that population collapse and imbalance, could lead to system/economic collapse. That wouldn't end the human race, but it would certainly mess up our retirements and children's futures...

Doesn’t worry me at all. Far too many of us here anyway.

It would only mean an end to that for humans.

If you want to end famine and war you need to exterminate all sentient beings.

Would you favour that?

Definitely agree.

Do you genuinely see everything non-human on this planet as inanimate?

But so what? The universe doesn't need us to keep going. The only reason we need to care and have compassion is because we've caused some suffering in the first place. Literally the globe will keep.turning without us on it, the cosmos will keep expanding. As others have said, Id like to.not personally suffer an.asteroid strike, world ending event bit thr basic idea that we wont be around at some point down the line is fair enough.

Why? Why is it 'wasted'? Many artists create and never show anyone their work. Its the process of creating it that's important. Very odd and arrogant to.tjink that something only has value id it's being.g observed and appreciated by us.

Yeah I have never understood why people say this either. I recently watched a TV programme of two lions torturing another dying lion. It was injured and couldn't walk, they would attack it, go off for a bit then come back and have another go at it. Just like a house cat plays with an injured mouse.

Do you really think animals would give a shit about the planet if they were able to have the consciousness/power that we have? The idea that animals are sensitive and empathic whilst humans are all 100% evil is laughable.

You think humans don’t behave like this?!

Of course some of them do! Humans can behave in evil ways and they can behave in kind ways.

My point is- the people that say humans are all evil and we should leave the planet to animals because they're all lovely and harmless is just as ignorant

But the planet doesn't need us to care about it..thats the point. People keep saying 'but we care about and appreciate the planet so we have value' . It makes no difference at all to the universe if we are here or not.
Just like God's existence or non existence does not rely on anyone believing in him. Unless you take an anti-realist stance on the question, his existence either is or isn't an objective fact that we cant prove either way. My atheism doesn't affect his actual existence (or lack of). Us being here to appreciate tje planet is similarly irrelevant to.its existence or worth

It’s the interim bit where there are not enough heath workers, carers, tax payers to hep
me in my dotage that terrifies me.

I quite like the thought of humans being wiped out, and plants (and animals) taking over. It wouldn’t take long for most signs of human activity to disappear under green. A hundred years should largely do it.

Near here a petrol station with a large concrete forecourt was closed, and left unused for a couple of years before being redeveloped. It was astonishing how quickly even that big area of concrete was largely covered with plant life.

Humans ARE animals. Just a cleverer, more evolved species, that’s all.

My point is- the people that say humans are all evil and we should leave the planet to animals because they're all lovely and harmless is just as ignorant

I don't think anyone says that. I think what people are saying is that other animals don't wreak havoc on the planet and its other inhabitants like we have and continue to do.

If every single human died tomorrow, I'd oddly be OK with it.
I think it's because without other humans there's no point anyway but if if only half of us died that would be more tragic.
But ALL of us doesn't bother me.

I'd be sad for the animals that rely on human care but that's it.

Well, you wouldn't be sad for the animals because you'd be dead.

WE WOULD ALL BE DEAD!!!

"If every human died tomorrow, I'd be OK"???

Sociopath.

As long as you're not around, hey? We're all like that, I suppose but it's hypothetical as you'll never see it happen in your lifetime. And if you do, there will be great suffering for yourself and all your loved ones. It's a fantasy people who are unhappy with their lives have a lot.

A great asteroid could wipe us out. There is great suffering now but most of us can easily forget it to get on with our lives.