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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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Tikitaka20 · 23/02/2026 23:36

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

Not the point, I know, but why would he have used the word ‘honky’ when he’s English and it’s rare and mainly used in the USA? I’ve never even heard of it!

The Guardian wrote a good article on this - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/23/it-hurt-n-word-shouted-baftas - that concluded that last night should make us reflect on the language we use in everyday life, to stop it becoming so normalised. I agree.

It hurt when the N-word was shouted out at the Baftas – because we are also hearing it so much outside | Nadine White

I was disturbed, but I wasn’t shocked. It’s a bigger problem that in these toxic times, so many of us endure this and other slurs in our daily lives, says journalist and film-maker Nadine White

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/23/it-hurt-n-word-shouted-baftas

OonaStubbs · 23/02/2026 23:37

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Scram to where? Nah, I think I will be staying put. These people, as you so charmingly refer to don't have to dance to your tune.

mollypuss1 · 23/02/2026 23:38

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Very very upset? Hardly!

I find your extreme reaction to a passing comment on the depressing nature of this thread utterly bizarre.

XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 23:39

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Are you for real?

A tic is not bad behaviour. It is something that can not be helped.

If someone had a seizure, and kicked you, would you be running to the cops?

BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 23:40

mollypuss1 · 23/02/2026 23:38

Very very upset? Hardly!

I find your extreme reaction to a passing comment on the depressing nature of this thread utterly bizarre.

Extreme reaction? I said off you trot and explained why I thought your comment was pointless. Yet here you are again arguing the toss because you seem upset that I referred to your post in a negative way. Clearly you are getting all hot and bothered about it as you can't let it go.

SlipperStar · 23/02/2026 23:41

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Being disabled can absolutely be an "excuse" for so called "bad behaviour" because you have no control or no understanding of why it's "bad"

Thesimpleway · 23/02/2026 23:43

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

Totally agree with you OP and props to you for articulating this so well. He really should apologise. Too much focus and lenience is being offered on account of Tourette’s and the word he blurted out is being overlooked.

Two things can be true at once: a person can have an involuntary condition which causes them to say anything (particularly offensive words), and said person can still apologise for the offensive words they used by accident.

My focus is on Michael and Delroy. The N-word loudly and quite aggressively being hurtled at you, while on stage, on live TV is chilling regardless of the source/nature. And for that, an apology is owed.

Pretty sure if John had said the N-word directly to Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo, an apology would have followed no question simply out of principle.

The eye rolling emoji’s, “FFS” and general “get over it” attitude in some of these responses is absolutely absurd yet very telling. The state of it. Incapable of being fair and just, when it comes to blackness. Able to see more humanity in animals than your fellow man. I bet the majority of the eye rollers would want an apology if John had involuntarily yet aggressively harmed a dog.

I can only imagine the shock Michael B Jordan and Delroy Lindo must have felt in the moment. When you’re black in a predominantly white space you do brace yourself for any level of disrespect and bias. Unconscious or conscious. For a split second, they both would have felt a trickle of fear for their safety.

mollypuss1 · 23/02/2026 23:50

BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 23:40

Extreme reaction? I said off you trot and explained why I thought your comment was pointless. Yet here you are again arguing the toss because you seem upset that I referred to your post in a negative way. Clearly you are getting all hot and bothered about it as you can't let it go.

How do I seem upset?

You are responding to me every time I reply so clearly you are (by your own logic) getting all hot and bothered about it and can’t let it go also.

I couldn’t care less whether you find my comment pointless. I do, however, find it weird that on a thread you believe to be ‘dealing with an issue of this magnitude’ that my pointless post is the one you chose to focus on and not any of the others making more important points. Why is that?

NemesisInferior · 23/02/2026 23:51

John Davidson owes nobody an apology. The fact that this needs to be said is so fucking depressing it's unreal. If anyone thinks overwise I would ask you go away and educate yourselves.

He has a disability that manifests itself as verbal ticks. He and everyone else with the condition owes the world an apology about as much as a wheelchair user owes the world an apology for requiring a ramp or a lift instead of stairs.

NemesisInferior · 23/02/2026 23:54

https://tourette.org/resource/understanding-coprolalia

OP and a few others need to read this and perhaps become just a little less ignorant.

mollypuss1 · 23/02/2026 23:54

Thesimpleway · 23/02/2026 23:43

Totally agree with you OP and props to you for articulating this so well. He really should apologise. Too much focus and lenience is being offered on account of Tourette’s and the word he blurted out is being overlooked.

Two things can be true at once: a person can have an involuntary condition which causes them to say anything (particularly offensive words), and said person can still apologise for the offensive words they used by accident.

My focus is on Michael and Delroy. The N-word loudly and quite aggressively being hurtled at you, while on stage, on live TV is chilling regardless of the source/nature. And for that, an apology is owed.

Pretty sure if John had said the N-word directly to Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo, an apology would have followed no question simply out of principle.

The eye rolling emoji’s, “FFS” and general “get over it” attitude in some of these responses is absolutely absurd yet very telling. The state of it. Incapable of being fair and just, when it comes to blackness. Able to see more humanity in animals than your fellow man. I bet the majority of the eye rollers would want an apology if John had involuntarily yet aggressively harmed a dog.

I can only imagine the shock Michael B Jordan and Delroy Lindo must have felt in the moment. When you’re black in a predominantly white space you do brace yourself for any level of disrespect and bias. Unconscious or conscious. For a split second, they both would have felt a trickle of fear for their safety.

Tourette’s does not cause you to involuntarily and aggressively harm animals. Animals can not be harmed by words.

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Well I will endeavour to ensure that in the future every post I make measures up to your high standards. I will no longer make passing comments on the depressing nature of a thread as it doesn’t offer enough insight and @BingoJingo must have well thought out insightful posts from everyone or she gets sanctimonious upset.

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Miggledyhiggledy · 24/02/2026 00:09

I do wish MN would stop actively discouraging calling out certain type of poster. This thread topic has attracted a fair few of them. Unfortunately.

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I don’t think I’ve ever said ‘innit’ before in my whole life but yeah I’m deffo too thick to be here ain’t I hun. You’re too clever for a thicko like me. I see that now and I wholeheartedly apologise for my utterly egregious first post. Thankyou for showing me the error of my ways and educating me. I wish you good luck in educating everyone else you deem below you similarly as you move forward and I will take your advice over to a more suitable forum (I assume you mean netmums).

This is not goodbye @BingoJingo , this is just farewell.

BingoJingo · 24/02/2026 00:23

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 00:20

I don’t think I’ve ever said ‘innit’ before in my whole life but yeah I’m deffo too thick to be here ain’t I hun. You’re too clever for a thicko like me. I see that now and I wholeheartedly apologise for my utterly egregious first post. Thankyou for showing me the error of my ways and educating me. I wish you good luck in educating everyone else you deem below you similarly as you move forward and I will take your advice over to a more suitable forum (I assume you mean netmums).

This is not goodbye @BingoJingo , this is just farewell.

Think you should calm down and have a nice cup of🍵.

JasmineMac · 24/02/2026 00:25

Thesimpleway · 23/02/2026 23:43

Totally agree with you OP and props to you for articulating this so well. He really should apologise. Too much focus and lenience is being offered on account of Tourette’s and the word he blurted out is being overlooked.

Two things can be true at once: a person can have an involuntary condition which causes them to say anything (particularly offensive words), and said person can still apologise for the offensive words they used by accident.

My focus is on Michael and Delroy. The N-word loudly and quite aggressively being hurtled at you, while on stage, on live TV is chilling regardless of the source/nature. And for that, an apology is owed.

Pretty sure if John had said the N-word directly to Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo, an apology would have followed no question simply out of principle.

The eye rolling emoji’s, “FFS” and general “get over it” attitude in some of these responses is absolutely absurd yet very telling. The state of it. Incapable of being fair and just, when it comes to blackness. Able to see more humanity in animals than your fellow man. I bet the majority of the eye rollers would want an apology if John had involuntarily yet aggressively harmed a dog.

I can only imagine the shock Michael B Jordan and Delroy Lindo must have felt in the moment. When you’re black in a predominantly white space you do brace yourself for any level of disrespect and bias. Unconscious or conscious. For a split second, they both would have felt a trickle of fear for their safety.

Involuntary lashing out is a tic John DOES suffer with. Indeed, during a job interview John hit the interviewer's dog, and still got the job!

There's a fascinating scene in one of John's documentaries, whereupon his own dog recognises and responds to commands that are genuine and ignores commands that are tics. Isn't that quite something? A dog being more savvy than humans!

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 00:27

BingoJingo · 24/02/2026 00:23

Think you should calm down and have a nice cup of🍵.

@BingoJingo you replied! I knew you wouldn’t let me down. I know you love me but you have to let me go, it’s for the best in the long run.

What’s that? Pea soup?

BingoJingo · 24/02/2026 00:30

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 00:27

@BingoJingo you replied! I knew you wouldn’t let me down. I know you love me but you have to let me go, it’s for the best in the long run.

What’s that? Pea soup?

Oh dear... You need to stop projecting your flattery onto me.. Its getting a bit much.

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 00:32

BingoJingo · 24/02/2026 00:30

Oh dear... You need to stop projecting your flattery onto me.. Its getting a bit much.

I can’t help it when you’re wooing me with pea soup.

BingoJingo · 24/02/2026 00:34

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It’s a bowl of green liquid. There isn’t even a handle to make it a cup.

Have you been on the babychams again?

As much fun as this insanity has been tonight, it’s time for bed. I’ll see you in my dreams @BingoJingo you bizarre little chipmunk.

BingoJingo · 24/02/2026 00:43

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 00:40

It’s a bowl of green liquid. There isn’t even a handle to make it a cup.

Have you been on the babychams again?

As much fun as this insanity has been tonight, it’s time for bed. I’ll see you in my dreams @BingoJingo you bizarre little chipmunk.

I'd like to say its been fun but that would be a lie - its been beyond tedious... And FYI - select the emoji - it is indeed labelled as a cup of tea. I doubt very much there is even a 'pea soup' emoji 👋