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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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SpaceRaccoon · 26/02/2026 13:39

OtterlyAstounding · 26/02/2026 13:30

I think it's a messy situation because a lot of people don't have even a basic understanding of Tourette's, it seems, and the clip going online means everyone sees it. Including trolls, racists, ableists, people who are well meaning but uninformed... Hurt feelings are already embedded by the time people understand the condition, racists are enflaming the situation, and the lack of immediate apology from the BBC or JD (whether or not you think he should've) was not great optics.

It snowballs, basically.

But yes, at this point, he could've been anyone with Tourette's. It's not about him as much as it's about how the incident was handled, and the ableism and the racism that have sprung up in its wake.

I agree with most of what you say, but I disagree about John's apology. For one thing, he's not a seasoned media pro, and when the shitstorm started he probably needed to get advice as to how to proceed - plus for an ordinary man, how do you get in touch with a couple of famous celebrities to even speak to them? More time, so probably things going on behind the scenes even as people were demanding the apology.

The second thing though is that I don't personally think he owed anyone an apology, although it's perfectly fair enough if he himself wished to make one. I think he is in fact owed an apology from the BBC and Baftas, and that he's been badly let down and put in a bloody awful situation.

Again, the focus should have come right off hiim really early on, he was clearly not the culprit in any of this, just someone who had been let down in terms of the reasonable adjustments he'd expected, that then weren't made.

CharlotteRumpling · 26/02/2026 13:40

I actually do think the BBC and BAFTA owe JD an apology too.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 26/02/2026 16:04

OtterlyAstounding · 26/02/2026 13:06

Do you think it is really your place to tell the black people who feel hurt by the word being shouted, and then not censored, and broadcast on international television, and shared all over the internet, that they are unintelligent, uncompassionate, and irrational for feeling that way?

Not raging at JD, or saying he's a horrible racist, but for feeling hurt by the usage of the word and all the weight of history it carries, and for being angry that the BBC didn't censor it (despite censoring other things), but instead decided everyone should hear two black men being called n---rs unexpectedly during the broadcast?

Blame is not necessary for hurt to occur. Even without intent, things can still have an impact.

It think it's possible to not blame JD and have sympathy for him and his condition, while still accepting that many black people may be – entirely reasonably – hurt or bothered by the entire incident.

I agree totally, blame is not necessary for hurt to occur. But you only have to look at what happened in the immediate aftermath of the incident, and is still happening now on some SM, to see that there very much are some unintelligent, uncompassionate and totally irrational responses to what happened, and absolutely no understanding - in fact an unwillingness to understand the nature of the disability at the heart of the incident. Once the nature of his disability was made clear, that should have been the end of it as far as JD was concerned.

OtterlyAstounding · 26/02/2026 21:54

@SpaceRaccoon and @DotAndCarryOne2 , thank you for your measured responses. I appreciate them, and I think we have a lot more points of agreement than we do disagreement, because I can't really argue with anything you've said in your last few posts!

YiddlySquat · 27/02/2026 21:06

I have to say, over the last 5 days I’ve been absolutely shocked at the nastiness and bullying, manly from ignorant Americans, to disabled people. It’s 2026 FFS. Even high profile celebrities like Jamie Foxx (who BTW is friends with Diddy and is in the Epstein files) and Queen Latifah calling him racist and setting bullies on him.

Ive even seen “proof that John Davidson is racist” - because in the movie there “a blackface scene”

There isn’t. There’s a scene where John tics while painting his room black and smacks himself in the face with the paint roller.

I think it’s no secret that a lot of angst from non-Americans to the USians is because the expect their issues and history to be the centre of every other country - whist simultaneously knowing absolute naff all about other countries and cultures, and not caring to find out either

I Swear is a Scottish film. Blackface has never been a thing in Scotland. There is such a thing as a Scottish Blackface - it’s a breed of highland sheep. Yet apparently the producers had to centre the feelings of Americans in every scene?!

It seems to me that the n word is something people can choose to be offended by depending on the context. So why anyone is choosing to be offended in this situation is utterly baffling. He also ticced homophobic words (including “pedo” At a gay man on stage) - the gay community haven’t taken offence despite the fact the stereotype that gay people are pedophiles has been deeply harmful and incited violence

ive seen calls from Americans for John to be beaten up and even killed. Everything he’s done since - the apologies and statement etc - have all been wrong apparently. It seems they want blood, or suicide. And if he did commit suicide they’d probably say he did it in a racist way.

I do look at the US, with its ignorance and deep ableism and total obsession with violence and public humiliation. And they voted in a rapist, felon President. Twice. I used to feel sorry for them having Trump - this week I’ve realised they have the president they deserve.

YiddlySquat · 27/02/2026 21:07

Anyway @notaurewhatusername are you happy now it’s come to light John has apologised?

he is a gentleman and throughly decent human being so he reached out personally, he didn’t do it through the media. Is that good enough for you?

DotAndCarryOne2 · 27/02/2026 21:12

YiddlySquat · 27/02/2026 21:06

I have to say, over the last 5 days I’ve been absolutely shocked at the nastiness and bullying, manly from ignorant Americans, to disabled people. It’s 2026 FFS. Even high profile celebrities like Jamie Foxx (who BTW is friends with Diddy and is in the Epstein files) and Queen Latifah calling him racist and setting bullies on him.

Ive even seen “proof that John Davidson is racist” - because in the movie there “a blackface scene”

There isn’t. There’s a scene where John tics while painting his room black and smacks himself in the face with the paint roller.

I think it’s no secret that a lot of angst from non-Americans to the USians is because the expect their issues and history to be the centre of every other country - whist simultaneously knowing absolute naff all about other countries and cultures, and not caring to find out either

I Swear is a Scottish film. Blackface has never been a thing in Scotland. There is such a thing as a Scottish Blackface - it’s a breed of highland sheep. Yet apparently the producers had to centre the feelings of Americans in every scene?!

It seems to me that the n word is something people can choose to be offended by depending on the context. So why anyone is choosing to be offended in this situation is utterly baffling. He also ticced homophobic words (including “pedo” At a gay man on stage) - the gay community haven’t taken offence despite the fact the stereotype that gay people are pedophiles has been deeply harmful and incited violence

ive seen calls from Americans for John to be beaten up and even killed. Everything he’s done since - the apologies and statement etc - have all been wrong apparently. It seems they want blood, or suicide. And if he did commit suicide they’d probably say he did it in a racist way.

I do look at the US, with its ignorance and deep ableism and total obsession with violence and public humiliation. And they voted in a rapist, felon President. Twice. I used to feel sorry for them having Trump - this week I’ve realised they have the president they deserve.

Well said.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 27/02/2026 21:18

YiddlySquat · 27/02/2026 21:06

I have to say, over the last 5 days I’ve been absolutely shocked at the nastiness and bullying, manly from ignorant Americans, to disabled people. It’s 2026 FFS. Even high profile celebrities like Jamie Foxx (who BTW is friends with Diddy and is in the Epstein files) and Queen Latifah calling him racist and setting bullies on him.

Ive even seen “proof that John Davidson is racist” - because in the movie there “a blackface scene”

There isn’t. There’s a scene where John tics while painting his room black and smacks himself in the face with the paint roller.

I think it’s no secret that a lot of angst from non-Americans to the USians is because the expect their issues and history to be the centre of every other country - whist simultaneously knowing absolute naff all about other countries and cultures, and not caring to find out either

I Swear is a Scottish film. Blackface has never been a thing in Scotland. There is such a thing as a Scottish Blackface - it’s a breed of highland sheep. Yet apparently the producers had to centre the feelings of Americans in every scene?!

It seems to me that the n word is something people can choose to be offended by depending on the context. So why anyone is choosing to be offended in this situation is utterly baffling. He also ticced homophobic words (including “pedo” At a gay man on stage) - the gay community haven’t taken offence despite the fact the stereotype that gay people are pedophiles has been deeply harmful and incited violence

ive seen calls from Americans for John to be beaten up and even killed. Everything he’s done since - the apologies and statement etc - have all been wrong apparently. It seems they want blood, or suicide. And if he did commit suicide they’d probably say he did it in a racist way.

I do look at the US, with its ignorance and deep ableism and total obsession with violence and public humiliation. And they voted in a rapist, felon President. Twice. I used to feel sorry for them having Trump - this week I’ve realised they have the president they deserve.

Brilliant post. Thank you.

YiddlySquat · 27/02/2026 21:30

The only good thing to come out of this is Tourette’s Scotland has received £3k in donations in the last few days. It only usually gets £50k a year.

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 13:05

Has anyone seen the latest that some twat has stood up at the NAACP awards and, after making misogynistic comments about Nicki Minaj, he said (In a faux prayer):

Lord, before we go, if there are any white men out here in the audience with Tourette’s, I advise you to tell them they better read the room tonight, Lord. It might not go the way they thinketh. Whatever medicine they’re on, they better double up on it, Lord.

it was met with huge laughter
Fucking disgusting ableist pigs. If this has done anything surely is widened the gap between black people and everyone else?

JonesTown · 02/03/2026 13:21

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 13:05

Has anyone seen the latest that some twat has stood up at the NAACP awards and, after making misogynistic comments about Nicki Minaj, he said (In a faux prayer):

Lord, before we go, if there are any white men out here in the audience with Tourette’s, I advise you to tell them they better read the room tonight, Lord. It might not go the way they thinketh. Whatever medicine they’re on, they better double up on it, Lord.

it was met with huge laughter
Fucking disgusting ableist pigs. If this has done anything surely is widened the gap between black people and everyone else?

Yep- seems to be a case of inclusion being important for everyone but disabled people for the Hollywood elite.

mollypuss1 · 02/03/2026 13:40

There is also a disgusting mocking sketch posted on SNL.

I genuinely don’t understand who could ever think this is acceptable.

SpaceRaccoon · 02/03/2026 13:43

The NAACP awards stuff plus SNL has been shameful, but perhaps good in a way as I think a lot of people saw just out of hand everything has got.

I think Tourettes Scotland is up to £5000 received so that's brilliant - it helped me feel like I was doing something concrete to help rather than just shouting into the social media void.

John himself has now put a statement on his fb page, which I've put as a link to an X tweet rather than an image as the latter take a while to unhide. I saw the post on his actual page and the comments are heartening - thousands sending him love, support and best wishes.

https://x.com/pollyt22/status/2028464071134085243

PollyT🦋🐦 (@pollyt22) on X

Take note #Naccpawards @nbcsnl Instead of misinformed statements & inappropiate jokes, perhaps watch the film I Swear to gain some understanding of Tourettes Statement from John Davidson MBE who has done so much to enlighten people about Tourettes...

https://x.com/pollyt22/status/2028464071134085243

mollypuss1 · 02/03/2026 13:47

Agreed @SpaceRaccoon . There seems to be more people condemning SNL and Deon now. Hopefully at least some who were originally unaware of Tourette’s may now be better educated on it at least.

elperosimpatico · 02/03/2026 15:20

Jesus Christ, I can't believe that a room full of black people laughed at a disabled person being made fun of. I just can't get my head around the fact that this has happened and that so little understanding has been shown. Why did nobody call it out or make a statement that what they had seen was totally wrong in every way and unacceptable? And why isn't this being discussed more widely on mumsnet? I thought about starting a thread but my own disabilities mean I would probably be too overwhelmed to keep up with it. I think that's an intelligent and well thought out response from John.

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 15:43

elperosimpatico · 02/03/2026 15:20

Jesus Christ, I can't believe that a room full of black people laughed at a disabled person being made fun of. I just can't get my head around the fact that this has happened and that so little understanding has been shown. Why did nobody call it out or make a statement that what they had seen was totally wrong in every way and unacceptable? And why isn't this being discussed more widely on mumsnet? I thought about starting a thread but my own disabilities mean I would probably be too overwhelmed to keep up with it. I think that's an intelligent and well thought out response from John.

Th education system isn’t exactly excellent in the US, they probably think it’s a white person disease

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 15:44

elperosimpatico · 02/03/2026 15:20

Jesus Christ, I can't believe that a room full of black people laughed at a disabled person being made fun of. I just can't get my head around the fact that this has happened and that so little understanding has been shown. Why did nobody call it out or make a statement that what they had seen was totally wrong in every way and unacceptable? And why isn't this being discussed more widely on mumsnet? I thought about starting a thread but my own disabilities mean I would probably be too overwhelmed to keep up with it. I think that's an intelligent and well thought out response from John.

Also there have been threads where people have called for Tourette’s sufferers to be muzzled if they have to go out in public.

i wish I was joking

elperosimpatico · 02/03/2026 15:57

Yes, sadly I've seen those attitudes all over the internet - I'd have thought the black community would know better (not that it's just black people saying these things of course). One of the black people who suffers from Tourettes and made a statement that showed kindness, tolerance and understanding seems to have been bullied into withdrawing some of her views and has been accused of putting her disability above her race - I just don't understand that attitude and the fact it seems quite widespread in America is incredibly disheartening.

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 17:42

elperosimpatico · 02/03/2026 15:57

Yes, sadly I've seen those attitudes all over the internet - I'd have thought the black community would know better (not that it's just black people saying these things of course). One of the black people who suffers from Tourettes and made a statement that showed kindness, tolerance and understanding seems to have been bullied into withdrawing some of her views and has been accused of putting her disability above her race - I just don't understand that attitude and the fact it seems quite widespread in America is incredibly disheartening.

The narrative in the States is odd

Three seems to be some kind of immutable flow chart for who is The Most Oppressed with no wriggle room for nuance. They GENUINELY think two millionaire powerful actors have it worse than a working class Scottish disabled caretaker because they’re black. And that it gives them a right to be abusive because they’re higher up the flow chart.

im glad we are more enlightened in the U.K. about disabilities

elperosimpatico · 02/03/2026 18:04

Although I will point out that I don't agree with everything the article says.

SALaw · 02/03/2026 18:43

It’s so upsetting seeing various stars in the USA punch down at a working class, ordinary Scottish man with a terrible neurological condition that has deeply impacted his whole life, relationships, work etc. He is a private citizen, not a public figure, not a celebrity. He is only in the public eye due to the work he has done over many years to try to educate people so as to improve the lives of people with the same condition, especially young people. He had a film made about his life and BAFTA celebrated the story and the actors, then turned their back on him due to the very thing the film was about. Where are all the be kinders? Where are all the outspoken celebrities? Where is Maxine Peake, respected and with the ear of many who plays the woman that understood so well that John Davidson COULD NOT HELP what he said or did?!

SALaw · 02/03/2026 18:47

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 23/02/2026 22:06

I have no doubt everyone would change their tune if their 6 yr old DC came home and said Jonny spent all day in clas shouting 'Cunt'.

Jonny can't help it dear, no need to worry now hurry the fuck up and finish your Cheerios

That’s exactly what happened to John at school, as the brilliant documentaries from the time and the recent film shows. He was ostracised, belted, shunned etc for it. As you would advocate for, apparently.

elperosimpatico · 02/03/2026 18:55

I think he was made to work in a cupboard at school sometimes so he didn't disrupt the other kids (who could still hear him and laugh at him ticcing in the cupboard)

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