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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:02

JasmineMac · 23/02/2026 20:56

I genuinely can't believe what I'm seeing today. The targetting of this man, by SO many. Over a symptom that is entirely beyond his control, over a severe disability. This en masse pile on is WAY worse than the archaic lack of understanding he endured in the 1980's.

It's incredibly upsetting, and very disturbing. Today is such a shameful day. To see organisations like BAFTA and the BBC behave as though this mass targetting is in any way acceptable is just horrifying.

I just hope John knows he is understood and supported by many of us.

I think it’s shameful too, shame on those that thing or unreasonable to give those two actors an apology.

im sickened. And triggered tbh

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XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 21:03

LLJETO · 23/02/2026 20:43

If only there was a film and/or documentaries that people could watch!😉

Wasnt the guy who had these awful tics there to accept an award for his own film about his own disabilty?

Mental.

NoSoupForU · 23/02/2026 21:03

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:57

Ha, compassion!!! That’s exactly the point.

if you had compassion you would see why it was an awful situation for those actors as much as it was for John.

Why is an apology such a hard thing to do!

But nobody has suggested that they shouldn't be bothered by it. Without any context, of course the shock of it is going to be quite brutal.

But how we feel in the moment and how we feel once we understand how or why something has happened should generally not be the same.

Out of interest, have either actor said anything about it? Or is everyone assuming their opinions and feelings based on a split second reaction to something in the moment?

Alwaysontherun · 23/02/2026 21:05

You are being very unreasonable. He has a disability. I don’t think accidentally standing on someone’s foot and apologising is even remotely the same. Would you ask a blind person to apologise because they can’t see?

OonaStubbs · 23/02/2026 21:06

He should apologise. It doesn't matter whether he meant it not, he still said it. If someone hurts somebody else, even accidentally, it is only right that they apologise.

NoSoupForU · 23/02/2026 21:06

If your issue is the word being broadcast for millions to hear then presumably your issue is actually with the BBC who quite consciously and wilfully chose to broadcast it?

XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 21:08

OonaStubbs · 23/02/2026 21:06

He should apologise. It doesn't matter whether he meant it not, he still said it. If someone hurts somebody else, even accidentally, it is only right that they apologise.

You can not control how people react to things you do.
And Tourette's is not something you can control.

Imagine living your whole life having to apologies for things you can not help. It can and will make you suicidal.

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:09

John is a truly wonderfully and amazing human being. He would be mortified if he upset someone. He should not be expected to apologise for something he carnt control. John if you are reading this we love you, rise above this, they are not worth it💕

SlipperStar · 23/02/2026 21:09

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:27

@Ponoka7ues but in these circumstances he should apologise. Sorry but it I hurt someone so publicly, he should apologise. He isn’t at the BAFTAs every day of his life so this was a unique experience calling for unique actions

Are you going to apologise to him for the hurt feelings your lack of understanding causes?

Butchyrestingface · 23/02/2026 21:14

I'm white, @notaurewhatusername . I feel sorry for both parties here ... but, I also feel, in Davidson's position, I wouldn't have attended an event like that.

SlipperStar · 23/02/2026 21:15

NoSoupForU · 23/02/2026 21:03

But nobody has suggested that they shouldn't be bothered by it. Without any context, of course the shock of it is going to be quite brutal.

But how we feel in the moment and how we feel once we understand how or why something has happened should generally not be the same.

Out of interest, have either actor said anything about it? Or is everyone assuming their opinions and feelings based on a split second reaction to something in the moment?

I've seen that Delroy Lindo said BAFTA should have checked in with him and Michael B Jordan but not that he's condemn John

LLJETO · 23/02/2026 21:15

XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 21:03

Wasnt the guy who had these awful tics there to accept an award for his own film about his own disabilty?

Mental.

Exactly! Coincidentally, we watched it on Saturday night - not even realising it was up for Baftas and that the Baftas were last night. It was an absolutely brilliant film.

There are also documentaries following John’s life that called John’s Not Mad, so l’m going to see if I can find that too.

Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 21:18

Butchyrestingface · 23/02/2026 21:14

I'm white, @notaurewhatusername . I feel sorry for both parties here ... but, I also feel, in Davidson's position, I wouldn't have attended an event like that.

Imagine telling black people they should avoid certain events. This gets worse. Is this the 21st century? Is the black death back or leprosy? This is so medieval.

HelenaWaiting · 23/02/2026 21:18

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:02

I think it’s shameful too, shame on those that thing or unreasonable to give those two actors an apology.

im sickened. And triggered tbh

They did receive an apology - from the BBC and from BAFTA. I am not aware that they have asked for an apology from John Davidson. And here you are, being outraged on their behalf, when as a "person of colour" you should know how disempowering that can be.

Butchyrestingface · 23/02/2026 21:20

Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 21:18

Imagine telling black people they should avoid certain events. This gets worse. Is this the 21st century? Is the black death back or leprosy? This is so medieval.

I said what I would do. And it's hardly comparable to telling black people not to attend events. If my disability caused me to do/say grotesquely offensive things of that nature, I'd certainly really think hard about attending that sort of event. Obviously, others may disagree.

Although my main fear, I suspect, would be of being assaulted in the street by an outraged stranger. Sad. It's such a sad situation.

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:22

Butchyrestingface · 23/02/2026 21:14

I'm white, @notaurewhatusername . I feel sorry for both parties here ... but, I also feel, in Davidson's position, I wouldn't have attended an event like that.

Why? It was a film nominated about his life. He was invited and had every right to attend like every body else who was invited. Are you really saying that people with disability s shouldn't attend? Are you really going there?

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:28

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:09

John is a truly wonderfully and amazing human being. He would be mortified if he upset someone. He should not be expected to apologise for something he carnt control. John if you are reading this we love you, rise above this, they are not worth it💕

Why are people acting like these two things are mutually exclusive? I feel absolutely terrible for John. I genuinely do. Living with Tourette’s is brutal I’m sure and I have no doubt he is mortified. The man probably went home and was beside himself.

AND the people he hurt deserve acknowledgement. Both of those things exist at the same time. This isn’t complicated.

My DH and I actually go round on this constantly and I always come back to the same point — intent does not trump impact. Sorry but it just doesn’t.

If someone has a medical episode at the wheel and mounts a pavement and breaks someone’s leg — we feel for the driver, we understand it wasn’t deliberate we don’t vilify them. But nobody turns to the person with the broken leg and says “well he didn’t mean it so your leg doesn’t count.” The injury is still real. The person still needs treatment. An “I’m so sorry this happened” still matters.

The condition explains the behaviour. It doesn’t erase the bruise on the other person.

Compassion for John and acknowledgement of the harm caused are not opposing forces. The fact that people keep treating them as if they are is exactly the problem.

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XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 21:30

Butchyrestingface · 23/02/2026 21:20

I said what I would do. And it's hardly comparable to telling black people not to attend events. If my disability caused me to do/say grotesquely offensive things of that nature, I'd certainly really think hard about attending that sort of event. Obviously, others may disagree.

Although my main fear, I suspect, would be of being assaulted in the street by an outraged stranger. Sad. It's such a sad situation.

He was attending an event about being an awarded for his own film.

Soontobe60 · 23/02/2026 21:32

What exactly is this ‘real harm’ of which you speak?

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:32

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:28

Why are people acting like these two things are mutually exclusive? I feel absolutely terrible for John. I genuinely do. Living with Tourette’s is brutal I’m sure and I have no doubt he is mortified. The man probably went home and was beside himself.

AND the people he hurt deserve acknowledgement. Both of those things exist at the same time. This isn’t complicated.

My DH and I actually go round on this constantly and I always come back to the same point — intent does not trump impact. Sorry but it just doesn’t.

If someone has a medical episode at the wheel and mounts a pavement and breaks someone’s leg — we feel for the driver, we understand it wasn’t deliberate we don’t vilify them. But nobody turns to the person with the broken leg and says “well he didn’t mean it so your leg doesn’t count.” The injury is still real. The person still needs treatment. An “I’m so sorry this happened” still matters.

The condition explains the behaviour. It doesn’t erase the bruise on the other person.

Compassion for John and acknowledgement of the harm caused are not opposing forces. The fact that people keep treating them as if they are is exactly the problem.

The people he supposedly hurt need to grow up and educate themselves

Butchyrestingface · 23/02/2026 21:34

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:22

Why? It was a film nominated about his life. He was invited and had every right to attend like every body else who was invited. Are you really saying that people with disability s shouldn't attend? Are you really going there?

Yes, speaking for myself as a disabled person, if my disability caused me to say or do grotesquely offensive and harmful things to other people, I hope I would not put myself in the position where I would be doing so in such a public domain. This clearly isn't a comment on whether disabled people should be allowed to attend public event - of course they should. However, if one's disability causes them to do harm to others, that is a different matter.

I feel terribly sorry for him now. The level of scrutiny he's subject to today must be horrendous.

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:35

@Laserwhoyes I agree. Clearly you seem hurt and perhaps ought to spend some time with non whote people to even start to have a clue why an apology is importance

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DestinedToBeOutlived · 23/02/2026 21:36

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:35

@Laserwhoyes I agree. Clearly you seem hurt and perhaps ought to spend some time with non whote people to even start to have a clue why an apology is importance

We don't know that he hasn't apologised privately to the actors involved though.

Why would he need to issue a public apology.

Soontobe60 · 23/02/2026 21:38

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:36

@XenoBitchhis apology DOES mean something to millions of black people all around the world.

Are you saying that all the ‘millions of black people all around the world’ behave in exactly the same way as each other? What word would you use to describe a belief that large numbers of people with one thing in common will behave in a certain way?

FreeWheezin · 23/02/2026 21:38

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:22

Ok, as I pointed out do you not apologise for hurting people even if it wasn’t your Intent? Why is this different?

Because then he would spend his whole life apologising for his disability. His. Whole. Life.

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