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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 22:14

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 22:12

I would have immediately apologised!! Therefore wouldn’t need to be hauled up.

im imaging it now. I’m at work and fall over during a seizure and injure someone - wouldn’t it be weird if I DIDNT apologise when I recovered!?

it would be very very weird not to!?

Can you not see what is wrong with expecting people who have NO control over something being made to apologise?
What is to be gained by making them say sorry? They can't help it, and they will do the same again.

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 22:16

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Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 22:17

XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 22:14

Can you not see what is wrong with expecting people who have NO control over something being made to apologise?
What is to be gained by making them say sorry? They can't help it, and they will do the same again.

When you put it like that it really shows just how distasteful this thread is.

phoenixrosehere · 23/02/2026 22:18

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 22:16

Thread reported.

Why because you disagree? Perhaps, others would go report the other threads then.

Endofyear · 23/02/2026 22:19

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:25

@Pollqueenare you by any chance a POC? I bet other posters aren’t, something tells me this needs a unique lived experience to understand. In the nicest way possible I’m not trying to offend.

I'm a person of colour and I'm not remotely offended by John Davidson. People with tourettes do not have any influence over their involuntary tics - their tics do not represent their feelings or opinions. Unfortunately, there is so much ignorance about disability in general which I do find offensive, and depressing.

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 22:20

phoenixrosehere · 23/02/2026 22:18

Why because you disagree? Perhaps, others would go report the other threads then.

Haven't read the others. This is more than enough. Such hate for someone with a disability who has spent his life raising awareness for tourettes. John is amazing. Shame on you

PollyBell · 23/02/2026 22:23

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DestinedToBeOutlived · 23/02/2026 22:24

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What the fuck kind of a comparison is that to make.

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 22:24

The sad thing is People are saying John is being hated. This is such a misunderstood perspective.

I genuinely think John has some amazing work!! I sympathise with his experience but this does not negate the hurt of the actors!!

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Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 22:26

DestinedToBeOutlived · 23/02/2026 22:24

What the fuck kind of a comparison is that to make.

Bloody disgusting.

rosa17 · 23/02/2026 22:29

He's already made a statement apologising and explaining that it was unintentional.
The real issue is 1. why the BAFTAs didn't bother to warn people properly about how coprolalia manifests, and 2. the BBC which was quick enough to censor Akinola Davies Jr when he said Free Palestine - but couldn't be bothered to block out racial slurs.

Hillarious · 23/02/2026 22:29

Clips from the film on TV tonight give a taste of how much John has suffered through his life with the effects of this disability. Alan Cummings delivered during the show apologies “for any offence caused” by the involuntary tics. Usually such words are meaningless, but this was an occasion where apologising for any offence caused was the appropriate response. Perhaps it should have been edited out, but we know it was said, so I don’t think it really makes any difference.

HorsesDuvets · 23/02/2026 22:32

@notaurewhatusername

feel absolutely terrible for John. I genuinely do.

For sure.

IamTheEggWoman · 23/02/2026 22:36

This is a bit of a dilemma, I would like to hear what black people with tourettes think about it.

NotThisAgain1987 · 23/02/2026 22:43

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GCAcademic · 23/02/2026 22:44

IamTheEggWoman · 23/02/2026 22:36

This is a bit of a dilemma, I would like to hear what black people with tourettes think about it.

That assumes that one must trump the other.

Can we not accept that the person with a disability has no control over that?

And also that people for whom racial slurs hold an internalised historical trauma would be impacted by those words, irrespective of who said them?

We don't need to pick a side. The issue isn't either of these attendees of the awards, it's the way that people online cant seem to give understanding and grace to both.

ImplodingLoading · 23/02/2026 22:46

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

Instead of demonising a disabled person, who is likely mortified... why don't we invite 99% of rappers to apologise instead?
Have you watched the film? Have you educated yourself about Tourerttes? If not, please do.
You're welcome.

mollypuss1 · 23/02/2026 22:47

What an utterly depressing thread.

TempestTost · 23/02/2026 22:53

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:25

@Pollqueenare you by any chance a POC? I bet other posters aren’t, something tells me this needs a unique lived experience to understand. In the nicest way possible I’m not trying to offend.

Do you really think that all people of the same race have the same views on topics like this?

OtterlyAstounding · 23/02/2026 22:54

I haven't read the full thread, but I think your initial post is a much needed perspective, OP.

Davidson can't help it, no, and it must be an awful condition to live with, but I don't think that means he shouldn't make a statement. People have said he must feel gutted, so you'd think he'd say something just to reiterate that it's an involuntary condition, and so of course he is deeply upset by it and sorry about the impact, and equally, didn't mean it and couldn't help it.

In general, I don't think that one person having a disability trumps everything else. Other people have traumas, mental health conditions, or disabilities that affect them too, and which could be triggered by the verbal tics of a person with Tourette's. It's not 'healthy people' versus 'disabled person', and so everyone should just let the insults or threats or whatever roll off their back.

If someone with Tourette's shouts triggering things at a rape victim who is still deeply affected, a person struggling with an eating disorder, a person dealing with a traumatic issue, someone with suicidal ideation...it's not the person with Tourette's intent to cause serious harm, but they might well do so.

There are conflicting interests that need to be balanced, and I don't know how that's supposed to happen.

But considering only 1% of people have Tourette's, and only 10% of people with Tourette's have coprolalia, it's very rare indeed, and most people with Tourette's will struggle with other tics that affect their lives.

SlipperStar · 23/02/2026 22:56

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:43

This sounds awful but I wish this had happened to a female that just gave birth and he called her “fat” - I don’t think this thread would have gone this way….

Yes it would

BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 22:57

mollypuss1 · 23/02/2026 22:47

What an utterly depressing thread.

Off you trot then, with your pointless contribution. I think the topic is very important and calls for understanding and compassion on both sides. I do feel terrible for those actors on the stage, you could clearly see the distress and humiliation they felt at that moment, and the BBC was disgraceful in allowing it to be aired. For John Davidson, his life has been blighted by his disability and one must also feel compassion for him. I thought that Delroy Lindo was completely spot on with his statement. Him and Michael B Jordan deserved so much more from BAFTA.

TempestTost · 23/02/2026 23:03

ImplodingLoading · 23/02/2026 22:46

Instead of demonising a disabled person, who is likely mortified... why don't we invite 99% of rappers to apologise instead?
Have you watched the film? Have you educated yourself about Tourerttes? If not, please do.
You're welcome.

It's interesting, people's response. I don't really get those who think it's based on race, that isn't at all what I've observed.

My dp is a black man, He's not blase about the use of that word, the first time anyone said it to him as a teen he punched the guy, who was a complete stranger, in the face. He isn't offended by it in rap music but also doesn't really like it in that context or agree with it being used as a friendly term in the black community. He doesn't mind it in films where it makes sense as part of the story. He doesn't think this instance at the BAFTAs was offensive at all and had a rather rude phrase for people who are.

Others opinions vary.

The main differernce to me seems to be people who think that hearing things is hurtful in something like the same way physical violence is hurtful, and those who don't think that. I'd be curious to see if there was an age difference that correlates around that, because I think what kids have been taught has changed fairly significantly over the years. But it might be more something around personality.

OtterlyAstounding · 23/02/2026 23:05

XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 22:10

If you were epileptic and had a seizure... kicked someone in the face during it... would you be happy being hauled up in public and made to apologise??

I wouldn't need to be hauled up!! I'd apologise immediately. Why would you not apologise if you've just kicked someone in the face involuntarily?

XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 23:08

OtterlyAstounding · 23/02/2026 23:05

I wouldn't need to be hauled up!! I'd apologise immediately. Why would you not apologise if you've just kicked someone in the face involuntarily?

You could not help it. And this man has been hauled over the coals due to something he could not help. Absolutely blasted over it.

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