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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:34

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:22

Ok. I think.many people here have lost all credibility. We will have to agree to disagree, won't we? Black Mners have hid this thread mostly and are discussing elsewhere, so they aren't speaking out.

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SOME black Mners have hid this thread. You do not and can not know the ethnicity of the vast majority of people on here simply by what they post.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:36

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:22

Ok. I think.many people here have lost all credibility. We will have to agree to disagree, won't we? Black Mners have hid this thread mostly and are discussing elsewhere, so they aren't speaking out.

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Have you stopped to think that one of the reasons for that may be down to your own activity on this thread ? You act as though you are speaking for all people of colour and ‘explaining’ issues to other posters as though they don’t understand, when in actual fact they understand perfectly, they just don’t agree with you. Your response to anyone who doesn’t share your opinion is to change the nature of the conversation solely to discredit their perfectly valid and balanced comments and put yourself in a better light.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:36

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:34

SOME black Mners have hid this thread. You do not and can not know the ethnicity of the vast majority of people on here simply by what they post.

Ok. As I said, please report me if you find me a reverse racist.
I am not stopping anyone from speaking up.

Auroraloves · 25/02/2026 10:38

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 08:53

Of course not. The buddy of Diddy and Epstein, with the sexual assault allegations against him , has not apologised.

But isn’t this convenient that no one is talking about the much bigger issue of the Epstein files now, love the distraction from the powers that be

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:39

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:32

Why is it childish? if people think I am being racist by listening to PoC over white people on how they feel about racist slurs left unedited, by all means report me.

I will also listen to women over men on being called cunts and sluts.

Who are the white people you refer to?

Once again you are assuming the ethnicity of people on here simply by their opinions and that is not a good look for anyone.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:42

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:39

Who are the white people you refer to?

Once again you are assuming the ethnicity of people on here simply by their opinions and that is not a good look for anyone.

Am I wrong? I think not.

If there are any POC here who think leaving in the N word- or P word- or C word to be broadcast to millions serves as a useful educational tool, do speak up.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:43

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 10:01

I've now seen multiple people saying the apology isn't good enough, it should be live and public.

It's almost bleakly funny at this point. A high stress, live, public situation and a sufferer of Tourettes and coprolalia. It would sound like a Tarantino film in a Scottish accent.

The people calling for it are actually just putting their unmitigated ignorance on display for all to see. An apology carries with it the expectation of change. JD’s condition means he is fundamentally incapable of meeting that expectation. So an apology will give the baying mob the satisfaction they demand, even though they haven’t got the brains to understand that it’s completely hollow and meaningless. They’re essentially demanding he apologise for being disabled. It’s unconscionable.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:50

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:42

Am I wrong? I think not.

If there are any POC here who think leaving in the N word- or P word- or C word to be broadcast to millions serves as a useful educational tool, do speak up.

I wouldn’t know if you’re wrong. I don’t judge people based on their opinions as I don’t believe POC have one hive mind.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:51

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:42

Am I wrong? I think not.

If there are any POC here who think leaving in the N word- or P word- or C word to be broadcast to millions serves as a useful educational tool, do speak up.

There you go again - ‘we will not be used as educational tools’. Nobody’s asking you to. In this context it’s actually JD who is the ‘educational tool’ because leaving the perceived slurs in highlights the difficulties people with this condition have to navigate every day.

It also does a pretty good job in underlining the unintentional effects of that condition on the people surrounding the disabled person, whether friends, family, or as in this case, random people who just happen to share your space. It evidences the fact that the perceived slurs are involuntary and devoid of intent. It’s just unfortunate that the teaching moment is lost on some, but that doesn’t take anything away from the teaching moment itself.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:53

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:50

I wouldn’t know if you’re wrong. I don’t judge people based on their opinions as I don’t believe POC have one hive mind.

Sure. Let them speak up, then. If any black people here think a useful purpose is served by letting the N word go out unbleeped, pl speak. It throws both the black people and JD under the bus.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:56

JasmineMac · 25/02/2026 10:11

Interesting is very polite of you, given (28 pages later) tedious would be a far more apt description 😂

Protesting that you won't accept being utilised as a teaching aid, when you're the only person who has proposed being used as a teaching aid, is also 'interesting' 😂

The spectre of deletion of a valid point of view simply because of an unwise choice of words is ever present.😇

Chimen · 25/02/2026 10:56

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:02

Personally, I think JD has done enough and should obviously be left alone.
What needs to be done is more investigation into the BBC.

It was in reply to some posters to show how ridiculous it is to expect DL and MBJ to say something.

It’s normally something that aimed at black, brown people, Muslims, Jews etc. To say something. It’s very rare for a white person to be asked to say something on behalf of other white people .

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 10:56

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:43

The people calling for it are actually just putting their unmitigated ignorance on display for all to see. An apology carries with it the expectation of change. JD’s condition means he is fundamentally incapable of meeting that expectation. So an apology will give the baying mob the satisfaction they demand, even though they haven’t got the brains to understand that it’s completely hollow and meaningless. They’re essentially demanding he apologise for being disabled. It’s unconscionable.

It's not even just that - can you imagine the tics he'd come out with in that situation?!

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:57

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:53

Sure. Let them speak up, then. If any black people here think a useful purpose is served by letting the N word go out unbleeped, pl speak. It throws both the black people and JD under the bus.

Plenty of people here have spoken up. The problem here is that you assume they’re all white. The only pereson that throws under the bus is you.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:58

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 10:56

It's not even just that - can you imagine the tics he'd come out with in that situation?!

Agree.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:59

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:57

Plenty of people here have spoken up. The problem here is that you assume they’re all white. The only pereson that throws under the bus is you.

So if they are PoC, let them say so and put paid to my assumptions.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 11:03

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:53

Sure. Let them speak up, then. If any black people here think a useful purpose is served by letting the N word go out unbleeped, pl speak. It throws both the black people and JD under the bus.

Why should they speak up? You don’t get to decide people’s opinions or when they choose to use their voices. You have no idea if they have already spoken up, you have no idea on the ethnicity of anyone on here. We could all be black and all speaking up. That’s the point, you have no idea but you have decided everyone who disagrees with you is white.

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 11:05

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:32

Why is it childish? if people think I am being racist by listening to PoC over white people on how they feel about racist slurs left unedited, by all means report me.

I will also listen to women over men on being called cunts and sluts.

Changing the point again I see

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 11:05

I very much doubt that any black person would use the ridiculous word " segregated" for JD voluntarily leaving the hall to sit in another room. Or expect MBJ to give a statement.

If you don't want to divulge your ethnicity, fine. But as I said, I am done taking advice from non PoC on racial slurs.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 11:05

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:59

So if they are PoC, let them say so and put paid to my assumptions.

You want people to declare their ethnicity so you can decide whether you regard their opinions correct or not? Can you seriously not hear what you are saying here?

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 11:07

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 11:05

You want people to declare their ethnicity so you can decide whether you regard their opinions correct or not? Can you seriously not hear what you are saying here?

Yes. Non PoC do not get to tell us what to feel when being called the N word or P word or C word ( the last is a slur for Chinese people).

Ollldy78 · 25/02/2026 11:07

NoSoupForU · 23/02/2026 20:55

Jesus fucking christ. Not this again.

No he doesn't owe an apology. No disabled person needs to apologise for their disability.

People need to actually have some compassion, understanding and tolerance. Maybe focus some energy on learning the difference between a wilful behaviour and a tic which is not within the individual's control.

I mean, if only there were a BAFTA winning film about this very thing, eh?

If a disabled person rolled their wheelchair over my foot, they would most likely apologise, wouldn’t they?
Im not saying they “should”, but why wouldn’t they? One person’s disability does not negate another’s pain..

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 11:08

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:59

So if they are PoC, let them say so and put paid to my assumptions.

But black people aren't here as teaching aids and don't have to speak up...

That's what you've repeatedly said

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 11:09

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 11:07

Yes. Non PoC do not get to tell us what to feel when being called the N word or P word or C word ( the last is a slur for Chinese people).

You are not an ‘us’

You do not get to decide how all POC feel

You only get to decide how you feel, no one else

POC do not all feel the same way

NemesisInferior · 25/02/2026 11:10

Ollldy78 · 25/02/2026 11:07

If a disabled person rolled their wheelchair over my foot, they would most likely apologise, wouldn’t they?
Im not saying they “should”, but why wouldn’t they? One person’s disability does not negate another’s pain..

I mean, it's not the same thing, is it.

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