…to suggest that it’s time the Royal family stands on its own feet and stops taking money from the public purse?

[HappyGalentines]

The Royal family owns and has access to lots of money, land and property. So is it right that they should to take any more money away from us?

Couldn’t agree more @Baital . Although I personally believe discontent with the Windsors is much wider than the Epstein repercussions. This may die down, but the deference has gone, and there’ll undoubtedly be another scandal coming along in a few months. Probably another tax avoidance one. A managed ending of the monarchy would be the most satisfactory conclusion. I don’t think W&K would be too bothered.
And do we need an elected head of state in addition to the PM? I don’t think so.

Did you mean to quote me @whereisitnow ?! I’d be happy to see Andrew locked up tomorrow and the whole sorry lot off them packed off to Sandringham…it’s big enough! But my point is that a managed ending of a monarchy (unlike the Brexit fiasco) would probably be better in the long term.

That is utter nonsense. They do not own the crown estates. They belong to the crown, not the royal family. The crown is part of the state and owned by the state. If we get rid of the royal family all the income from the crown estates goes to the treasury.

I do beg your pardon @Tutorpuzzle. I was actually referring to a post by @Katyppat 19.59.

I suppose much the same way that Trump and the Republicans will traipse round public places? And still get elected. There are very few seats that could realistically change sides - especially as Trump is changing electoral boundaries - a process started before he got elected.

Unfortunately so. They have no moral capital to guide, lead or thank anyone.

Just leaving this here... https://www.republic.org.uk/

As i understand it, The Crown (the title rather than the specific person) owns the Crown Estate assets and profits. The crown gives that to the state in return for the Sovereign Grant. The tax payer would only top the Sovereign Grant up if the crown estate profits fell below the level of the sovereign grant, which i don’t think has ever happened in practice.

Suggesting we unravel this arrangement, scrap the Sovereign Grant & return the Crown Estate assets & profits back to the Crown would actually cost the taxpayer money.

I heard David Dimbleby discussing the RF on the radio and he was arguing about transparency but I agree with him and don't think there will be a Republic as you would have to have four (?) different presidents, the UK is a kingdom of different countries so how would that work. I'm not keen on the idea of such disruption, I think we should concentrate on re-joining the EU.

Thanks for some great observations. This in particular was an eye opener www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/royal-greed-king-charles-profiting-dead-disgusting

This was also quite shocking www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/windsors-v-borbons-comparing-the-public-pay-of-european-royal-families

@HappyGalentines Wowsers!

And why is the crown estate in the possesion of the state and not the royal family?

Because that was the arrangement made.. they handed over their private assets in return for a % of it back.

It would be like you giving your house and assets to the government and them paying you back 12%-20% of the income it produced each year, keeping the rest for themselves and then other people getting annoyed at you for getting "handouts from the government".. despite the fact that they are giving you money made from your original assets...

Of course the government could end this deal, refuse to pay you, and still keep your house/assets... But generally governments forcably taking assets isn't looked upon as a good thing.

https://parnalls.com/property-of-cornish-residents-who-die-without-a-will-goes-to-prince-charles#:~:text=Prince%20Charles'%20private%20estate%20receives,accordance%20with%20social%20distancing%20guidelines.

I mean, they could also stop things like this for a start…

Holy Crap...Just when I thought they couldn't stoop any lower 😳

I wonder when the disciples..sorry I meant Royalists, will be along to justify this...

I think history and tradition is great, their assets as private citizens whose family has lived here for over 1000 years amd who focused on inheritance would naturally be huge. The cost to benefit is better for taxpayer. I think they need to be kept honest and transparent and in lockstep with the law. I love being english and love the traditions and heritage of my country. I find people dismissive of whst England is a small island with an old heritage and no Good indicator of whst they would actually want. As America China and Russia got rid of thst aspect of their history how are they better countries to live in then England?

To be blunt what you are saying is that you want to size the assets of a family that have been legally inherited because of what? On what legal basis would you have. Not having a monarchy is one thing but the money watching is the thing that comes out perhaps its envy but the way people have been on the post calling people who maybe more conservative then them, disciples. Its intellectual weakness mean girl shit.

...sorry, but I don't understand a word of that 😕

Apology accepted try harder next time

To be blunt what you are saying is that you want to size the assets of a family that have been legally inherited because of what

Taking the assets of people who die intestate shouldn't be legal though.

Please can you provide a legitimate source that they are a benefit to the tax payer? Not a chat gpt answer..I'm seriously very interested. If you are able to provide a legitimate source, I'll bow out gracefully.

None of them died interstate they have wills for days. But if you mean do I think its wrong yeah but that's why will writing is so important and should be more widely taught for free. But yeah I agree with you on that.

If I did use chatgpt it wouldn't be less of an answer. Don't technology shame alongside you royalist biases. You can yourself use goole or chat gpt to ask that exact question. Just do that five second job.

It's really not as simple as that. There is huge amounts of lost revenue in the taxes they don't pay.

They also make huge amounts of money by renting out properties on the land they 'own'. This includes to the NHS, schools and prisons. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4l1lzv2nro

They give with Peter, but take with Paul.

Add to that the privileges they have, like renting properties for next to nothing in crown estates.

I'd like to see the numbers out in the open.