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Our car storage strategy in the UK is a joke. AIBU?

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JacquesHarlow · 20/02/2026 10:21

Note: I'll put the disclaimers at the end of the thread to try and mitigate against the usual "never seen this before OP, you sound overly invested" gaslighters.

AIBU to think that for a small island with a rapidly growing population, our approach to car storage and parking is ... well, a joke?

And that we need to start restricting street parking somehow to stop the households who have three or four cars on the street, making life a misery for others and for visitors?

Hear me out please for a minute.

I admit I have mainly lived in suburbs or zone of major cities. And today, I have a driveway that can park 5 or 6 cars.

However in the nine places I've lived, and the many places I've visited, you see the same things:

  • It doesn't matter if it's a street of semi-detached 4 beds, or a row of Victorian terraces, or a new build estate: you find houses not using driveways, parking cars nose to nose, often on kerbs.
  • Even if a house has a driveway, the British driver's strange attitude to owning the street in front of their house, means they'd rather park on the road instead of the driveway. Meaning more congestion on the kerbside, fewer places for visitors etc.
  • And let's face it, many can't even reverse onto the driveway or pilot their car with enough skill to use it
  • Away from driveways, I have visited streets with HMOs where friends are tearing their hair out, people with 7 cars to one house. Imagine what happens to street parking then..
  • Or it doesn't even need to be an HMO. Billy big balls can buy vintage pick up trucks and line them up on the street nose to nose and take all available parking. As long as you're within the permit structure, or if no CPZ, then all the cars are taxed and MOT'd? Then you're fine to have as many cars as you want on the street
  • Finally, people who have three or four cars, tend to have the "advantage" in situations like this. They usually have one or two cars "in place", so if parking is tight, they can (and do) "shuffle things" around to ensure they keep their road positions.

So, AIBU to suggest another way? Can we limit the number of cars owned to two a household on a street, and with a designated storage place needing to be named for anything over 2 cars? Should all suburban streets have some form of visitor permits so that people aren't parking three streets away because big Billy has to be able to see his pickups from his window at all times? Can we have proper enforcement from councils to ensure wheelchair users, buggies, young people can actually traverse our streets without having to brush past metal which has taken up part of the kerb?

We're a small island with a lot of history. We weren't designed to have two rows of cars parked down either side of suburban and urban roads, with delivery drivers racing towards nervous nellies who then refuse to reverse.

We are however horribly in denial about parking. Councils are addicted to the revenue, or ignore the problems if they do exist, knowing that there's little or no alternative.

All I see on threads like these in the past are people saying

  • "My eldest daughter uses her car for work, I use mine, so does my DH, and we have something fun for the weekends. I have every right to my four cars on the street. YABU"
  • "You're advocating for 15 minute cities, you will own nothing and be happy, you're a communist, YABU"

Why are we so addicted to car use to the point where anything now goes?

AIBU to ask for a more forward thinking solution to car ownership, where people aren't owning five cars on one small suburban street, without a driveway? Surely car ownership is far too cheap if that's an option for any regular Joe.

What do you think...AIBU?

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abracadabra1980 · 20/02/2026 15:17

waterbobble · 20/02/2026 10:32

A big issue is older dc living at home for longer so more cars per household. People with longer commutes, both parents working so again more cars. Houses divided into flats so more cars.

This is absolutely an issue. No idea what the answer is but I'd say a limit to cars per type of house would be sensible.

ContentedAlpaca · 20/02/2026 15:19

I agree that if services are in place people will use them. Why not put them in place, make them cheaper and importantly clean and safe and give some sort of rebate that encourages their use.

I would much rather park on the outskirts of a city than tangle with the traffic but out off the 4 cities nearest to me only one has a p&r that works well.

My own town has a station and we live within walking distance on purpose but trains are once per hour and there are none late enough to have a night out.

Winter2020 · 20/02/2026 15:25

JacquesHarlow · 20/02/2026 10:32

Great shout @Elbowpatch

You just know though people would go up in arms, it could never happen here where people demand the freedom to park wherever they wish, and strange unspoken covenants spring up on streets

If you do this in large part you will just be stopping poorer people owning a car or driving. Yes there will be millionaires in London or Bath without a drive but on average it will be skewed towards poorer people. Are we all happy to pay their universal credit when they can no longer work because work is 40 minutes away and their is one bus a day from their village? Same for getting their kids to school.

If we want to limit car ownership it should be per person of driving age not per household. If 6 adults live in a HMO why should they be less entitled to own a car than one person who is Lord of the Manor?

LVhandbagsatdawn · 20/02/2026 15:29

It is odd, when you think about it, that we allow people to leave their private property on a public highway. If I decided to stick a shed or a sofa in the road there would (rightly) be complaints - so why is it acceptable when it's a car?

I fully agree with the Japanese system - if you don't have somewhere off-road to store your car, then you can't have one.

There should at the same time be a big push on public transport and cycling.

Winter2020 · 20/02/2026 15:30

ContentedAlpaca · 20/02/2026 15:19

I agree that if services are in place people will use them. Why not put them in place, make them cheaper and importantly clean and safe and give some sort of rebate that encourages their use.

I would much rather park on the outskirts of a city than tangle with the traffic but out off the 4 cities nearest to me only one has a p&r that works well.

My own town has a station and we live within walking distance on purpose but trains are once per hour and there are none late enough to have a night out.

I got a return train to London these last couple of days, first time in a while. On the return journey I (and the rest of my carriage) had the pleasure of hearing how a druggie with his druggie mates was going to "knock you out (shouting at his mate) and knock out the rest of the train". I wouldn't wish it on anybody. My 16 year old son who is out and about a lot more than me tells me "yes there are always nutters on trains". Don't blame anyone for keeping their car.

Winter2020 · 20/02/2026 15:32

LVhandbagsatdawn · 20/02/2026 15:29

It is odd, when you think about it, that we allow people to leave their private property on a public highway. If I decided to stick a shed or a sofa in the road there would (rightly) be complaints - so why is it acceptable when it's a car?

I fully agree with the Japanese system - if you don't have somewhere off-road to store your car, then you can't have one.

There should at the same time be a big push on public transport and cycling.

Let me guess you have a drive?

LVhandbagsatdawn · 20/02/2026 15:33

Winter2020 · 20/02/2026 15:32

Let me guess you have a drive?

Yes, because I sought out a property with one specifically to store my car on.

Dontcallmescarface · 20/02/2026 15:38

We have a "residents only" car park. As it's not monitored or requires a permit the "residents only" means fuck all. There is just about enough space for those of us who actually live here but it's constantly being used by non residents who live nearby and don't want to park on the street. We rarely go anywhere during the weekends or Bank holidays as the chance of actually being able to park when we get back is zero. I wish the people around here would park on the bloody street.

Theonlyfatmiddleagedwomannotonmonjaro · 20/02/2026 15:39

Its not just an urban problem. New build estates love to whack up 4 and 5 bedroom detached family homes with postage stamp gardens "double" garages big enough for 1 car with a bitof wiggle room and short narrow driveways or even shared driveways. Many of these are semi rural where the need for a car is alot more pressing. Lots of these "family" homes have adult "children" all driving and no hope of anywhere off the street to park.

The victorians can be forgiven for building without parking. The builders of the 60s and 70s can be forgiven for building 3 bed semis with 1 parking space on the driveway because not every family even had a car and very rarely 2 but anything built in the past 40 years, just shows how everything is built for greed with no love or consideration.

Ritaskitchen · 20/02/2026 15:53

Where I live - Europe - then a certain number of car parking spots come with a house or flat. Often they are at an extra cost - a monthly rental. Each flat or house area has visitor spots. These are for short term use. You will be fined if you use them for too long.
There is also all the usual street parking - paid or permit parking parking - again paid.
Flat and houses very frequently have underground garages.
It is unheard of really to get to park for free unless you live really rural.

MikeRafone · 20/02/2026 15:56

likelysuspect · 20/02/2026 12:06

Smaller cars certainly agree.

I dont have anyone to car share with. I need to go out this afternoon for a anumber of appointments and errands that need logistical management. The distance in total, I think once its all added up would be around 8 miles or so. I can actually walk that distance, no bother (with loo stops obviously) but the time it would take me makes it not possible for the errands and appointments I have, I dont have the luxury to spend all day walking around

Not to mention the quality of the walk. If I walk to the end of my road in one direction, I get to an A road, fast, on a hill with pavement only on one side. I have to walk along that pavement until that petres out to cross over where the pavement on the other side then starts. There is no safe place to cross, by then the road is on a bend and I cant see traffic and they cant see me

Lets say I walk in the other direction to avoid the A road and take the longer route into town, I end up on a road which again only has pavement on one side which switches again back and forth, but this time the pavement is incredibly narrow, severely cambered and muddy, slushy with detritus, dangerous to walk on.

Taxi - wil cost me a huge amount of money for these trips today, not to mention the waiting time and cant guarantee they'll get me there on time. last time we booked a cab to get to the station, we missed the train. Taxi was 40 mins late, we had booked in very good time for a 5 min journey. Train runs once an hour. That was fun

I'll be taking my own car, on my own today.

Future self-driving car sharing—often envisioned as "Mobility-as-a-Service" (MaaS) or robo-taxi networks—
will likely evolve into a 24/7, app-based service where autonomous electric vehicles (EVs) replace personal car ownership for many urban residents. These vehicles will be designed as specialized, comfortable, and efficient "living spaces on wheels" rather than traditional cars with steering wheels.

This type of car sharing will be very different from a person driven taxi you seem to be thinking of

Self-driving cars are expected to replace personal car ownership primarily due to
superior economic efficiency, increased safety, and enhanced convenience. Once fully developed, autonomous ride-hailing services are projected to make mobility cheaper than owning, insuring, and parking a private car. Additionally, they promise to reduce traffic congestion and eliminate human-error-related accidents

Factors Influencing the Transition

  • Slow Adoption in Rural Areas: The cost-effectiveness of on-demand services may only apply to densely populated areas, allowing personal ownership to persist elsewhere.
For rural areas car storage isn't the issue
  • Public Perception and Trust: Significant percentages of the population currently do not feel safe in autonomous vehicles, suggesting a gradual transition.
  • Infrastructure Limitations: Weather conditions, such as snow, rain, or poor road markings, still pose challenges to sensor technology.
easier to copy and paste A!
MikeRafone · 20/02/2026 16:00

Data confirms a long-term, significant decline in driving among young people aged 18–24 (and 17–29) in the UK and US over the past 25 years
. While driving licence holding among 17-20 year olds in the UK peaked in the early 1990s at roughly 48%, it dropped to 29% by 2014, and further to 27% by 2022, signaling a "new norm" of reduced car reliance.
The Guardian +4
Key Reasons for the Decline:

  • High Costs: The total cost of learning to drive, along with skyrocketing insurance premiums (often exceeding £4,000 for 17-year-olds), has made driving unaffordable for many.
  • Economic Factors: A rise in lower-paid, less secure jobs and delayed adulthood has reduced the financial capacity for car ownership.
  • Urbanization and Transport Alternatives: Increased urban living and better-connected cities have reduced the necessity of a car, with many young people opting for public transport, walking, or cycling.
  • Digital Lifestyle: The rise of online communication and social media has reduced the need for face-to-face interaction, changing daily travel habits.

By also taking the data into account that the younger generation are not learning to drive in the same numbers that they were in previous generations - self drive cars and an app will be something that they are more likely to use

Bjorkdidit · 20/02/2026 16:19

Winter2020 · 20/02/2026 15:30

I got a return train to London these last couple of days, first time in a while. On the return journey I (and the rest of my carriage) had the pleasure of hearing how a druggie with his druggie mates was going to "knock you out (shouting at his mate) and knock out the rest of the train". I wouldn't wish it on anybody. My 16 year old son who is out and about a lot more than me tells me "yes there are always nutters on trains". Don't blame anyone for keeping their car.

I travelled first class not so long ago and it wasn't much better.

I was on a pre Christmas museums and theatre day out in London and on the way down in standard class, it had been much as you'd described.

However, on the way back I failed to account for the crowds at Leicester Square meaning I had to queue for 10 mins to get into the tube station so despite sprinting up all the escalators and across KX station, I missed my pre-booked train home by about a minute.

So I had to buy another ticket for the next train and as the First Class ticket was only about a tenner more than standard class and I'd have probably spent that amount on consolatory snacks from M&S anyway, but were included for free with the First Class ticket, I thought 'sod it, I'll treat myself and it will likely be more civilised than this morning'.

But sadly there was still some dickhead watching the football on his phone without headphones across the aisle, and this was someone travelling with his family, not a pissed up football hooligan. Angry

lollylo · 20/02/2026 16:27

usedtobeaylis · 20/02/2026 10:45

The idea that this level of car ownership is based on need is silly. Let's not pretend that.

Used to have a house with a drive that fitted 2 cars, but as I could walk to the school and then to work, we kept one car - for years and years. Then separated, I bought a Victorian terrace as I couldn’t afford a house with a drive, couldn’t find a promotion job in my own city so had to commute - on my second job now so still commute but have to drive to the nearest station as there is no public transport pre about 5.00am where I live and then only one bus to the centre. My partner needs a car to get to work, also out of the city we live in. And we need to get child to a nursery 3 days a week and the nearest nursery with a space is 2 miles away. This is the reality for loads of families where both partners have to work and commuting is more common as some areas have a depressed job market. So do we ‘need’ the cars or not? When I first separated I did 9 months without a car and it was crap because unless you live in a huge city with excellent transport links and loads of Ubers (I work in a small city with no Ubers), it’s very hard to easily get around. And loads of studies show the main cyclists in cities are middle aged, middle class men - ie the ones getting up and going directly to work. Not dropping kids, calling in at elderly parents.

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 16:32

Winter2020 · 20/02/2026 15:30

I got a return train to London these last couple of days, first time in a while. On the return journey I (and the rest of my carriage) had the pleasure of hearing how a druggie with his druggie mates was going to "knock you out (shouting at his mate) and knock out the rest of the train". I wouldn't wish it on anybody. My 16 year old son who is out and about a lot more than me tells me "yes there are always nutters on trains". Don't blame anyone for keeping their car.

And there are no 'nutters' behind the wheels of cars?

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 16:34

Bjorkdidit · 20/02/2026 16:19

I travelled first class not so long ago and it wasn't much better.

I was on a pre Christmas museums and theatre day out in London and on the way down in standard class, it had been much as you'd described.

However, on the way back I failed to account for the crowds at Leicester Square meaning I had to queue for 10 mins to get into the tube station so despite sprinting up all the escalators and across KX station, I missed my pre-booked train home by about a minute.

So I had to buy another ticket for the next train and as the First Class ticket was only about a tenner more than standard class and I'd have probably spent that amount on consolatory snacks from M&S anyway, but were included for free with the First Class ticket, I thought 'sod it, I'll treat myself and it will likely be more civilised than this morning'.

But sadly there was still some dickhead watching the football on his phone without headphones across the aisle, and this was someone travelling with his family, not a pissed up football hooligan. Angry

So your journey was ruined by bad time keeping and one dickhead football fan?

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 16:36

lollylo · 20/02/2026 16:27

Used to have a house with a drive that fitted 2 cars, but as I could walk to the school and then to work, we kept one car - for years and years. Then separated, I bought a Victorian terrace as I couldn’t afford a house with a drive, couldn’t find a promotion job in my own city so had to commute - on my second job now so still commute but have to drive to the nearest station as there is no public transport pre about 5.00am where I live and then only one bus to the centre. My partner needs a car to get to work, also out of the city we live in. And we need to get child to a nursery 3 days a week and the nearest nursery with a space is 2 miles away. This is the reality for loads of families where both partners have to work and commuting is more common as some areas have a depressed job market. So do we ‘need’ the cars or not? When I first separated I did 9 months without a car and it was crap because unless you live in a huge city with excellent transport links and loads of Ubers (I work in a small city with no Ubers), it’s very hard to easily get around. And loads of studies show the main cyclists in cities are middle aged, middle class men - ie the ones getting up and going directly to work. Not dropping kids, calling in at elderly parents.

We need more parents cycling their kids to school

Paganpentacle · 20/02/2026 16:37

Its my mission to get double yellow lines near me... crossroads, blind bend, 2 bus stops opposite each other, garage and a junction and there's cars lined up both sides of the road - driveways clear.
Fucking ridiculous. And dangerous.
(small market town- plethora of newbuilds - road network doesnt support 😡)

MikeRafone · 20/02/2026 16:40

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 16:36

We need more parents cycling their kids to school

There are initiatives to get parents cycling to school with their children, but the premise is that they don't have to do it every day - it's not an all or nothing. Many people on this type of thread think that you have to choose one type of transport and stick to it, "if you cycle then you have to cycle for every trip" thats really not the case

Winter2020 · 20/02/2026 16:44

Bjorkdidit · 20/02/2026 16:19

I travelled first class not so long ago and it wasn't much better.

I was on a pre Christmas museums and theatre day out in London and on the way down in standard class, it had been much as you'd described.

However, on the way back I failed to account for the crowds at Leicester Square meaning I had to queue for 10 mins to get into the tube station so despite sprinting up all the escalators and across KX station, I missed my pre-booked train home by about a minute.

So I had to buy another ticket for the next train and as the First Class ticket was only about a tenner more than standard class and I'd have probably spent that amount on consolatory snacks from M&S anyway, but were included for free with the First Class ticket, I thought 'sod it, I'll treat myself and it will likely be more civilised than this morning'.

But sadly there was still some dickhead watching the football on his phone without headphones across the aisle, and this was someone travelling with his family, not a pissed up football hooligan. Angry

I aporeciate the cameraderie but I'm not sure someone watching a phone without headphones is the same as someone threatening to knock you out? I contacted the transport police online. Haven't heard anything back buy I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be interested in someone with a noisy phone.

Winter2020 · 20/02/2026 16:48

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 16:32

And there are no 'nutters' behind the wheels of cars?

Well in 30 years of driving I've never had a driver threaten to knock me out but I've experienced it by making only 2 train trips this year. On 100% of my 2 train trips I've had to wait near groups of druggies (and yes it is obvious that they are druggies).

RawBloomers · 20/02/2026 17:07

I do think people fail to realise what a huge amount of public money is invested in letting cars park on the street for free.

We could require expensive parking permits within 1/2 a mile of the owner's home address for street parking. That would encourage more people to use their drives at least.

My concern with the expensive permits or 2 permits per house sort of approach is that it really penalises the less well off. The well off tend not to be in such cramped conditions or can afford to pay for parking or a drive. The less well off tend not to be able to. And the less well off are more likely to be working shifts when public transport will not meet their needs.

In some ways it might be fairer to have the cost of renting the land cars sit on on the street included in car tax and for council's to be obliged to provide more street parking for everyone (using that extra tax money). Then increase minimum wage etc to reflect the extra costs that many people need to spend.

An alternative is to ban all street parking and massively increase public transit. I do think that could have some great side effects in making streets more communal again, but it would be a huge change in lifestyle and culture.

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 17:10

MikeRafone · 20/02/2026 16:40

There are initiatives to get parents cycling to school with their children, but the premise is that they don't have to do it every day - it's not an all or nothing. Many people on this type of thread think that you have to choose one type of transport and stick to it, "if you cycle then you have to cycle for every trip" thats really not the case

Thats how people view cars, if you dont have a car then you do cycle every trip

Sofado · 20/02/2026 17:11

It’s a real shame that Zipcar has pulled out of the UK. It was widely used where I am.

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 17:14

Winter2020 · 20/02/2026 16:48

Well in 30 years of driving I've never had a driver threaten to knock me out but I've experienced it by making only 2 train trips this year. On 100% of my 2 train trips I've had to wait near groups of druggies (and yes it is obvious that they are druggies).

Thats not been my experience with train travel at all, maybe i don't notice the 'druggies'. I've experienced far more unpleasant people on roads than i have on trains.

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