New Epstein allegation horrifying

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Just that. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse. Now horrific allegations about a property on New Mexico.

This thread is an absolute mess.

Pizzagate was entirely discredited. The pizza shop didn't even have a basement.

Let's not forget that a man went to Comet Ping Pong with an AR15 because he had filled his head with nonsense, probably on a thread like this

No doubt that Epstein and his ilk did awful things, but you've got people posting already discredited photos of Mick Jagger purporting to eat human flesh.

If you want to actually have any impact on rich men like this, use your wallet. Women as a group have immense buying power. Stop using Airbnb, or buying Estee Lauder etc etc etc. Switch to small ethical suppliers rather than lining the pockets of Trump donors. Don't vote Reform, they are Maga by any other name.

And fact check what you post.

Er.. because she was there? And because she knows other victims. This was in that particular interview and there are others. Don’t bother questioning if you haven’t bothered to listen to at least a few of them.

People know who they were abused by in childhood, and sometimes finally come forward in adulthood.

Oh I agree...I can't stand the woman. And some of the stuff she says is just unbelievable. I think Tom was speechless which is unusual for him.

I haven’t looked at any pizzagate stuff but I do think a distressed young woman should have been listened to over a decade ago. Perhaps it could have all been investigated then.

Agree completely.

And while we're at it, cancel your accounts on Elon what-night-is-the-best-party-on-the-island? Musk's conspiracy riddled hellsite. We'll all be about 75% smarter.

Ok if someone as below said terrible stuff is going on over a decade ago was it good it was squashed in your view?

I think it is her but she just looks rough now

I don't doubt she was abused but how do we know actual celebrities were the abusers? As pp said, abusers sometimes wear outlandish disguises (Mickey Mouse masks in the example she gave) to discredit victims if they try to speak.

A nose can swell

That both Sarah F and Andrew were making coded remarks to tip off they were in the know would be characteristic of state operatives.

Has @IloveOwlsandPenguins seen the YouTube clip of Jimmy Savile being interviewed by Parkinson in the 70s? Alan Alda is a fellow guest, watching on slightly bemused. Savile tells a mad story in his scattergun style, about a treat for a young teenager - getting her in to see Prince Philip. He smuggled her in the boot of his car and on his arrival, got her out to introduce her. 'She'll remember that for the rest of her life,' observed Parky.

Now, it really sounds like he was talking about procuring women for Prince Philip and smuggling them in to the Palace - putting them in the boot of the car was the way, I understand, that was said about Princess Diana's paramours, too.

It seems to be the way Savile might send a message out - remember I've got dirt on you, you better play nice. Incidentally, I once picked up a copy of Savile's memoirs published in the early 80s, at a massive second hand book sale in Epsom Methodist Church, of all places. I flicked through it, thinking, well, he's hardly going to mention his sexual abuse of teenagers is he. In fact, he does just that. Talks about shagging a teenage girl 'my seductress' he called her, making out she was doing all the running, in a mobile caravan he had. And it implied she was one of many. He didn't go into details of the sex, but he made it sound all rock n roll. You'd be a spoilsport to object, that kind of thing.

In Miles Goslett's (sp?) acclaimed book A Convenient Death, well reviewed by the mainstream media, about the death of weapons inspector David Kelly, a similar thing is referenced on a govt website - a strange, incongruous mention of paedophilia, as if to tip someone off not to make a fuss about it, or we will go after you with paedophile allegations we've got against you. You can figure it out for yourself, it is one hell of a book because you have to puzzle things out for yourself - but the author does leave clues. But yes, leaving coded messages as if to say, hey, remember yourself, we're in the same club, seems to be common enough.

They seemed to seek out girls with learning difficulties
https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/27/girl-with-downs-syndrome-was-trafficked-to-jeffrey-epstein-then-raped-19200967/

What has that got to do with Ms Lucas? Who said her abusers were wearing masks? You just got that idea from another post!!

Again, go and watch the whole video. It’s clear you haven’t.

Why on earth would they do that

The point is how do we know the people in question were celebrities, or just claiming to be those people/looked similar to them, or yes, even wearing masks (which is not unknown)? They may have been celebrities but that's not the only explanation.

More likely to be vulnerable, possibly sometimes lower IQ, more likely to be isolated from peer group & vulnerable to grooming.

I saw a video on YT of some allegations about what went on at diddy's parties. It's so crazy it seems unbelievable initially but if you were going to make something up you'd want it to actually be believable? Which makes me think it's probably very true.

As a side note, do we think diddy picked up where Epstein left off?

I also remember the stories surrounding Westminster and paedophile rings. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Epstein and diddy will neither be the first nor the last of such organised buried heinous crimes.

What went on at diddy's parties that was crazy ? What did he do ?

I completely agree. I've been going down these rabbit holes for years and there's much worse to come.

It’s black magic, ritualistic, crossing the taboo, to gain power, like fire walking and lying on a bed of nails. Like self flagellation. Like sackcloth and ashes. Like st Simeon stylites. Strange extreme practices. The Jakob Frank cult gone underground. That is their ethos. They are living out their belief system.

There's a real imbalance of power in demanding victims provide incontrovertible proof of their perpetrator's crimes. Don't get me wrong, I think it's good to be skeptical and question but what I'm noticing about your posts is that the skepticism is directed at the people who have been abused rather than their abusers.

This is one of the ways we as a society preserve the status quo. I've never been given to conspiracy theories but something about this is different. And requiring such a high price for belief is epistemic injustice in action.

Again 🙄

James Alefantis and his inappropriate Instagram posts of children are the reason for the entire pizzagate thing.

Exactly. I have also noticed this about ‘Carla’s’ posts.

In addition I think the ‘absolute mess’ posts show how hard it would have been for any victim to get help. The sheer power, status, silencing tactics and society’s ease at disbelieving is stacked against them.

Your post does NOT reply adequately to mine. You come across as charlatan with an agenda. Like an attempt to muddy the waters by trying to appear genuine whilst simultaneously and deliberately doing what you can to raise doubt.

It’s not working “Carla”.

And here’s another link “Carla”. From now on, every time you reply to me, I’ll keep posting more links so that anyone with an ounce of integrity can take the time to hear for themselves rather than paying any attention to you.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ1tjCFBemc&pp=ygUMQW5uZWthIGx1Y2Fz

Quite.