Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

Huh? I've no idea what the hell you are on about

I never said it doesn't take time. It shouldnt have got to this stage in the first place

I've no idea why reform supporters are supposedly not acknowledging the current government have deposited more people. Ask them

Well, that's your choice to make, but as pp have said, no two situations are identical and disabilities, even the same one, can affect 2 people in the same way so it is unfair to try and shame pp for seeking and getting support in their time of need.

That scenario is exactly what benefits are for.

Sorry, should say "can affect 2 people in different ways"

Never in a million years, no matter what.

Christ. Thanks for the invite to the pity party.

The only person responsible for you not receiving benefits that could have supported you, is you. You chose not to claim them, that’s not the fault of any UC claimant, PIP claimant or immigrant.

You chose to struggle more than was necessary by not claiming what you had paid into and could have had. You can’t expect sympathy for that.

You don't know anything about my life or what I have been through over the last few years in my personal life.

I was forced to move house five years ago during lockdown when my flat had to be demolished and I was also dealing with police for over a year at the same time due to a stalker. Lots of people have it tough - that still doesn't mean I need to be ashamed of claiming benefits to keep a roof over my head

You're the person advocating for cutting people's benefits even though you've lived in poverty yourself. There should not be a two tier poverty scale - that is people who don't claim benefits are somehow seen as better than those who don't

As I said previously - pride wouldn't have paid my rent or my bills

I rose above it. Please direct your pity party comment at those who give up and believe they are owed something for nothing.

I think you need the pity party.

We have a social contract that takes care of those in need and rejecting help when offered because of shame is something that shouldn't happen.

The shame should be for businesses that don't pay enough for people to live on so they need support on top of wages.

If that's a (nasty) dig at someone like me, I suggest you keep it to yourself. I've already stated that I paid into the system for decades. I also shattered my leg in three places and it had to be pinned back together and I couldn't walk for months. I also have ptsd due to being stalked

I don't think anyone "owes" me anything. I just wasn't prepared to see myself without a home which I would have been if I hadn't claimed UC.

BTW-I had just been offered a job when I broke my leg. I would have much preferred not to have gone through that experience and be working

It wasn't. In fact I was typing this message in response to one of your earlier messages.

You have had a tough time and I wish you well as there is no hostility in your posts (unlike others). We all have different views based on individual circumstances.

I would now add there is no reason to be so defensive.

That's fine. Thank you for the clarification. Apologies

Perhaps being defensive comes from constantly being referred to as a scrounger all over the Internet - and it's got much worse since I went on disability benefits

Some people need help to rise above things. Not everyone has the same talents and abilities which will help them escape from poverty without aid. If you want people to get off benefits and into work - and keep them there - you need to address the underlying causes for worklessness: a school system that is rigid and inflexible and only values academia, a health system that has been gutted for 14 years so that people are left unwell for far longer whereas early intervention would have got them back on their feet much faster, a housing market that fails to protect renters and does not offer the kind of secure long term tenancies that keep people in stable location where they can afford to live and work.

All those things cost money. Successive governments have chosen not to prioritise them - and since Thatcher sold off and failed to replace council housing, right wing governments have had more time in power and therefore must accept more of the responsibility.

Throwing people out onto the street to sink or swim is a nice thought if you think it won't happen to you - but even people who are well off are only one accident or serious illness away from disability and poverty.

We need more investment in people to help them thrive, and less 'I'm alright, Jack'.

Not claiming vital support is objectively a stupid decision.

Where's my response from yesterday? Did you pay rent out of your £500? What was your housing status? Why were you living on £500?

How distasteful. My husband served his country and is disabled for life because of it. He certainly never "gave up and wanted something for nothing" I work supporting others who are vulnerable. What's your huge contribution to society? Apart from your ridiculous ideas of how to dehumanise people just that little bit more?

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Richard Tice will announce Reform UK's plans to introduce a "Great Repeal Bill" tomorrow that will scrap Labour's Employment Rights' Act and rent reforms.

Any comment?

If its any consolation people constantly posting, during the working day, almost every day that people on benefits are scrounging of of hard working folks like them** etc probably aren't actually "hard working net contributors". Or they keep very odd working hours... So I wouldn't take it to heart

**I don't mean anyone on this thread. Just a general rule. If í wasn't of sick I wouldn't be posting on a Monday afternoon either

So all of us on shift work etc, those working in restuarants ( mon afternoon is hardly busy then) or night workers probably aren't " hard working" Hmmm

Obviously an office bod

It's is being used on MN to attack 'the Left'

No, í specifically said I didn't mean anyone on this thread. But you don't have to look far to find examples of people posting about how they work 60 hour weeks in high paying jobs and if they can do it why can't others blah blah.
I worked in restaurants a lot. I wasn't a high tax payer at the tíme. Most of the people working in restaurants aren't except for the chefs. Who do work exceptionally long hours and earn their wage. Maybe oil rig workers who are 3 weeks on 3 weeks off.
But generally speaking the sheer number of people posting all day through the day who apparently are also high flying business people who pulled themselves up from nothing doesn't make sense. Even if for 1/2 individuals it does.

See also the numbers of men online who claim to be ex-special forces. If they were all telling the truth we would have the largest army in the world.

And night workers do work very hard. People in care homes, factory staff, security. All essential. Also mostly in a wage category that would have them labelled a "drag on the economy" by people on this very thread.

You can't have pages insulting lower paid workers and praising CEOs and then sneer at "office bods".

There are these things called 'breaks' and 'flexible working'. There is also this thing called 'annual leave', which I am on this week. The 'skivers and strivers' narrative is alive and well, I see.

Tellingly, no comment whatsoever.

The great repeal bill will just attack workers and renters and further enrich Reform's backers.

They are not looking out for us. They are looking out for their billionaire backers.

There won't be any of that if Reform get their way.