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Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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Decisiondecisions · 18/02/2026 14:49

NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

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MyTrivia · 22/02/2026 17:49

NO

SleeplessInWherever · 22/02/2026 17:49

nearlylovemyusername · 22/02/2026 17:44

This question seems to be specific to you because it's a well know fact that large organisations, esp multinationals (which also tend to be the best paying and most desirable employers) bend backwards to attract minorities employees.
I personally witnessed multiple cases where there was a white middle age middle class male candidate who was perfect, but also minority one (double bonus if female) who "would do" and that second candidate was chosen to hit diversity targets.

I'm POC by the way.

Thanks for explaining, clearly PP didn’t fancy it.

I had a feeling that was the avenue they were going down, and would point out that they said “white working class,” where you’ve just made clear really we’re talking about middle aged, middle class men. So hardly the same demographic, and I’d hardly say middle aged white wealthy men are oppressed. They’re more likely to be the oppressors.

I would struggle to believe that a corporate multi national is discriminating against Steve the van man - he’s not applying there. It’s clutching to suggest otherwise.

I don’t believe in recruitment on the basis of ethnicity or sex - I’m a female leader who firmly believes in the right person for the job, regardless of whether they’d hit a quota or not.

persephonia · 22/02/2026 17:52

SleeplessInWherever · 22/02/2026 17:49

Thanks for explaining, clearly PP didn’t fancy it.

I had a feeling that was the avenue they were going down, and would point out that they said “white working class,” where you’ve just made clear really we’re talking about middle aged, middle class men. So hardly the same demographic, and I’d hardly say middle aged white wealthy men are oppressed. They’re more likely to be the oppressors.

I would struggle to believe that a corporate multi national is discriminating against Steve the van man - he’s not applying there. It’s clutching to suggest otherwise.

I don’t believe in recruitment on the basis of ethnicity or sex - I’m a female leader who firmly believes in the right person for the job, regardless of whether they’d hit a quota or not.

If they were doing it in the UK they were breaking the law. Sometimes people break the law. It doesn't mean the law says it's legal. If we got rid of the law (EA) then it would be legal.

SleeplessInWherever · 22/02/2026 17:53

Winter2020 · 22/02/2026 17:46

It is about arrivals because barely anyone that arrives is removed.
4% of people arriving on small boats have been removed.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-september-2025/how-many-people-are-returned-from-the-uk

"Safe and legal routes" is a meaningless soundbite like "smash the gangs" without any actual policy of how you reconcile pretty much infinite demand with a British public that is fed up of high levels of immigration.

What I want is immigration limited to what Britain decides are our priorities as anything else is unworkable so for example x number of people from Ukraine or x number from Afganistan who helped the British Army in conflict.

Right. And what I’ve said, is that with an asylum system that functioned, those refused asylum would leave. Everyone’s happy, right?

We’re talking about asylum, not immigration. Migrants and asylum seekers aren’t the same thing.

The “British public” can be as fed up as they like with immigration. You said yourself you work with a largely migrant workforce - unless you’ve got people on standby for the jobs they’re filling, we need migration to function.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 22/02/2026 17:54

Never. They're fascists.

persephonia · 22/02/2026 18:00

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 17:41

LoveHearts69
I can ask who you voted for before I let you in a public space and refuse entry if you say Reform
I can refuse to let you in a pub because white men have always caused trouble in there before and I just assume you’re the same

1,000 pubs recently announced they were barring Labour MPs from their premises.

Being a labour MP doesn't fall under protected characteristics.

Being Male or white does, because sex is a protected characteristic under the EA and so is race. Note it's characteristics that are protected not groups. So "women" isn't a protected group. Sex is a protected characteristic. Which means everyone is protected from discrimination not minorities. And you can't bar someone for being white and male.

Belief is also protected so you can't bar someone for being a Catholic or Gender Critical. I guess that could stretch to political belief if they were banning people for supporting Labour. But I guess if it only targeting MPs it isn't.

Springflowers3 · 22/02/2026 18:03

No

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 18:06

SleeplessInWherever · 22/02/2026 17:53

Right. And what I’ve said, is that with an asylum system that functioned, those refused asylum would leave. Everyone’s happy, right?

We’re talking about asylum, not immigration. Migrants and asylum seekers aren’t the same thing.

The “British public” can be as fed up as they like with immigration. You said yourself you work with a largely migrant workforce - unless you’ve got people on standby for the jobs they’re filling, we need migration to function.

I thought we had rising unemployment. They can take on these jobs

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 18:08

1dayatatime · 22/02/2026 17:46

Your comment was: "Do you care about Farage's Russian links?"

This would suggest that you believe that "Farage has Russian links".

Can you explain what you believe those "Russian links" are aside from appearing on RT or his comment on Putin.

If you cannot explain what those "Russian links" are then I take it that you concede that there aren't any.

This is not a deflection but a simple facts and the demolition of your conspiracy theory that Farage had "Russian links".

There s no conspiracy theory, is there?

Here is one link

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/02/03/in-putins-orbit-the-crypto-politics-of-jeffrey-epstein-and-peter-thiel/

persephonia · 22/02/2026 18:11

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 18:06

I thought we had rising unemployment. They can take on these jobs

Or you could come out of retirement and do the jobs. The older generation could really show those lazy gen Zers how it's done?

Mosman2020 · 22/02/2026 18:11

No

Mosman2020 · 22/02/2026 18:13

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 18:06

I thought we had rising unemployment. They can take on these jobs

The issue we face is one that every western Country faces. The indigenous population refuse to work for slave wages. By introducing immigrants who have no choice but to work for slave wages we can get the work done and generate tax which will subsidise the indigenous population

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 18:15

persephonia · 22/02/2026 18:00

Being a labour MP doesn't fall under protected characteristics.

Being Male or white does, because sex is a protected characteristic under the EA and so is race. Note it's characteristics that are protected not groups. So "women" isn't a protected group. Sex is a protected characteristic. Which means everyone is protected from discrimination not minorities. And you can't bar someone for being white and male.

Belief is also protected so you can't bar someone for being a Catholic or Gender Critical. I guess that could stretch to political belief if they were banning people for supporting Labour. But I guess if it only targeting MPs it isn't.

I thought political opinions were not generally protected characteristics either.

LilyBunch25 · 22/02/2026 18:15

Maybe if hell freezes over, and I wake up next week a size 8, with a huge lottery win, and......oh, wait ✋ still no.

persephonia · 22/02/2026 18:26

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 18:15

I thought political opinions were not generally protected characteristics either.

No but belief is. I admit Im woolly about exactly where the line falls. You could argue being Gender Critical is a "political position" but it's protected as a belief, and therefore you can't legally be barred from a pub for being GC even if you are going there after a (political) demonstration.
You can't bar someone for how they voted because you can't know how they voted anyway I guess but I don't know if you could bar someone just for wearing a Labour/Reform rosette. Hmmm. Public Houses are different to eg workíng mens clubs which have more freedom to choose who they want as members and therefore who to serve so they could.
I reçkon it could be an interesting court case íf you were barred for supporting Labour and wanted to argue that supporting Labour was a result of your beliefs. But its not really relevant when its only MPs or political figures (eg Tommy ten names) being banned.

Iwantamarshmallowman · 22/02/2026 18:29

absolutely fucking not.

pointythings · 22/02/2026 18:35

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 17:39

If you want to be in denial that is your choice. Dig a little deeper.

You see, this is the 'Do your own research' trope.

The response is Hitchens' Razor: A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Mind you, the clue might be in the word 'multinational' - they tend to have a broader outlook in terms of what effective recruitment looks like for them. Unless you can evidence that companies are deliberately exclusing superior white British candidates in favour of less suitable minority candidates, you've got nothing.

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 18:40

persephonia · 21/02/2026 21:17

DEI is an American term. It has no relevance to UK companies. We do talk about EDI, but the positive discrimination you seem to be alluding to in your example with the football team would be against employment law. Specifically, the Equality Act.

So "the left" (very general term but I think I know who you mean in this case) can talk about equality of outcome/positive discrimination all they like. But they are prohibited from tilting the play field through discrimination by the Equality Act. Yet strangely it's not "the left" saying they want to get rid of it. It's Reform that do. Which sort of suggests it's Reform who are more keen to make discrimination legal in practice than the progressive left.

DEI is an American term. It has no relevance to UK companies

DEI appears to be a common term in the UK (random search):

NHS Bristol Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI)
Last updated: 09/10/2025
https://www.uhbw.nhs.uk/p/about-us/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-dei

Co-operatives UK
The importance of DEI in the workplace
How to build a DEI strategy
https://www.uk.coop/events-and-training/practitioners-forum
EY UK report highlights role of DEI in boosting productivity and talent
https://www.ey.com/en_uk/newsroom/2025/01/ey-report-highlights-critical-role-of-dei-in-uk-business
The boss of Deloitte UK has signalled a split with the firm’s US arm by reaffirming its diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) targets.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/deloitte-uk-trump-america-diversity-b2696677.html

Winter2020 · 22/02/2026 19:02

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 18:06

I thought we had rising unemployment. They can take on these jobs

Yes rising unemployment and AI decimating some industries/taking jobs so we have plenty of people.

1dayatatime · 22/02/2026 19:03

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 18:08

Bloody hell - that's desperate.

Epstein was in contact with Bannon who advised that Brexit was an opportunity. By association the Brexit campaign was being fronted by Farage.

None of this gives any evidence to your post "Do you care about Farage's Russian links" and your theory that Farage had Russian links which I think I have clearly demonstrated (beyond appearing on RT and his comments on Putin) he doesn't have any.

persephonia · 22/02/2026 19:03

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 18:40

DEI is an American term. It has no relevance to UK companies

DEI appears to be a common term in the UK (random search):

NHS Bristol Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI)
Last updated: 09/10/2025
https://www.uhbw.nhs.uk/p/about-us/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-dei

Co-operatives UK
The importance of DEI in the workplace
How to build a DEI strategy
https://www.uk.coop/events-and-training/practitioners-forum
EY UK report highlights role of DEI in boosting productivity and talent
https://www.ey.com/en_uk/newsroom/2025/01/ey-report-highlights-critical-role-of-dei-in-uk-business
The boss of Deloitte UK has signalled a split with the firm’s US arm by reaffirming its diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) targets.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/deloitte-uk-trump-america-diversity-b2696677.html

No legal relevance then. My mistake I didn't realise the term had been adopted by some companies. Did you read the policies? My assumption is though they might talk about encouraging applications/removing barriers/making the workplaces proactively safe spaces/corporate speak they won't mention hiring quotas etc. Because in the US environment you can use affirmative action to make sure X percent of new hires are from a minority. In the UK they can't. You can have a "target" but you are very limited in what you can do to meet that target. I haven't read the policies I'm to lazij. I'm just guessing they wont be breaking employment law.

JohnBullshit · 22/02/2026 19:09

No, I am not. Furthermore, I would vote for any party that's not even more far right in order to keep them out. I know they see that as unfair, but boo hoo.

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 19:11

persephonia · 22/02/2026 18:11

Or you could come out of retirement and do the jobs. The older generation could really show those lazy gen Zers how it's done?

Good idea. Will consider it when I reach retirement if I need the money.

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 19:15

Mosman2020 · 22/02/2026 18:13

The issue we face is one that every western Country faces. The indigenous population refuse to work for slave wages. By introducing immigrants who have no choice but to work for slave wages we can get the work done and generate tax which will subsidise the indigenous population

Edited

If we cut benefits they might have to reconsider.

pointythings · 22/02/2026 19:24

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 19:15

If we cut benefits they might have to reconsider.

Are you also going to lower housing, energy and food costs? Because if you reduce the pittance that UK benefits are, you're going to end up with more street homeless, more crime, more civil unrest.

Why is it that your kind always want to take money away from those who already struggle and hand it to those who are already wealthy?