Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

It costs money to keep people waiting for years to get assessed though Swings and roundabouts.

Even without reform the current or last give haven't done much to speed it up

Single people on benefits get just over 400 pounds. Under 25s get 316 pounds. I assume you've never run a home on 317 pounds a month or you wouldn't be suggesting cutting benefits even more. Cutting benefits doesn't give an incentive to work - it has the opposite effect. There are people in work who can't make ends meet. Maybe if people understood the stress of running a home on a pittance they wouldn't advocate for more benefit cuts.

As for forcing people to contribute to the community - work for free, there's a word for that - exploitation.

And neither should disabled people (like myself) have to go to my GP and get a fit note to prove to the dwp that I'm not fit to do certain tasks.

People in the all work group on UC already have to job search and evidence it or face a sanction and plenty of people on UC do volunteer

As for all these community jobs for everyone on UC - what are they - where do they come from?

You do know that this government have deported more people since coming to power than any government since 2017?

And that immigration is substantially down? Oh, inconvenient facts...

Lived in poverty and survived on a max £500 a month. No handouts from the government. It's awful but its my problem and not the tax payer.

People miss this. Going to be fun when all the immigrants are kicked out and the economy is still in the toilet.

That's not feasible for some people not to claim UC because they need to claim it to get rent element and their rent or part of it paid

Also - I paid tax for decades. Put far more into the system than I ever took out - that's just explaining your "handout" comment

There's a difference between 500 pounds a month and 316 pounds a month which you think should be reduced further

This tax payer doesn't begrudge people in need the support that they get. This tax payer would rather not go back to the Victorian age.

No one should be made to feel ashamed because they claim UC. There was a thread on these boards a couple of weeks ago where people were saying that people shouldn't claim benefits. They should be out washing cars with a mop and bucket (it's always the person who doesn't claim UC who comes up with these ideas)

I personally get called a scrounger enough as it is. I had a triple leg fracture just over 18 months and the dwp pretty much told me I was fit for work when I couldn't walk

I got disability benefits - (for a set time period) on the third attempt and I had to go to tribunal to get them

I didn't have a spare 500 pounds a month to live on when I was out of work a few years ago and if I hadn't claimed UC at that point I wouldn't have got my rent paid and I would have been homeless

Why is it always the people who have the least who are targeted further?

Only on mumsnet could it be implied that someone is privileged if they survive on £500 a month (hasten to add that was for everything).

So £317 is for everything. No additional payments e.g. housing benefit or council tax exclusions or PIP

So that means you're OK with millions of people becoming homeless then. Nice.

Why didn't you claim any benefits?

Pride

But people are still in a processing backlog.

It's only the ILLEGAL immigrants need kicking out. Not the ones who have a right to be here

That’s your own fault. Support was available, you chose not to take it.

Because the last government allowed the backlog to balloon. It takes time. This is real life, instant gratification doesn't exist. Honestly, what do you want? Someone to wave a magic wand and for it all to go away? Why can't Reform supporters acknowledge that the current government are deporting more people? Is anything they do ever going to be good enough for you?

That isn't what Reform are proposing though.

You do realise Reform has announced people on ILR will be kicked out? They are legal immigrants. The ILR is legal settlement.

Not claiming what you are entitled to if you have paid in isn't about pride. And where were you living that you could afford to live on £500/month including housing?

Ah, but they'll get around that by abolishing ILR. Including for people who acquired it decades ago. And then if those people don't meet income thresholds, they're suddenly 'illegal'. Magic.

We already pay for health care.

Yusuf said: "When Nigel is prime minister, there will not be a judge in the country that will be able to prevent flights from leaving."

I didn't say you were privileged.

317 wasn't for everything. I got my rent paid as well but that didn't entitle me to Pip. I got council tax reduction - but I had to run a home on 317 pounds a month - not easy

I didn't say you were privileged - what I said was that I did not have a spare 500 pounds a month to live on when I was not working a few years ago - and that if I had not claimed UC I would have lost my home as my rent wouldn't have been paid. I didn't call you privileged at any point

You chose not to claim benefits because you had other income you could live on - not everyone is in that situation. Pride would not have paid my rent or bills

Try having to change your living arrangements and opting out of life whilst living on the breadline and simultaneously trying to get your life back together. It puts everything into perspective and you see things clearly.