Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

That's not necessarily accurate at all. Your experience isn't universal. I'm aware of countless alternative experiences.

This has all stemmed from the fact that you don't seem to believe that there are areas of my home town that people don't want to live in.

The housing scheme I used to live in was demolished five years ago for that very reason. It had a bad reputation. People didn't want to live there - and that was replicated all over the wider area in neighbouring towns. All four in a block flats are being demolished and the towers will come down at some point too

I actually didn't want to move out - it was my home and I had been there for 25 years

I am not voting for the party of racists

Like?

Like people who don't wait years. It's area and situation dependent.
Have you heard of hard to let properties or do they not exist in your experience?

That's the difference between us - I would rather embrace or emphasise what people from different backgrounds have in common which in turn creates unity rather than embrace or emphasise the differences which in turn creates division.

I am perfectly happy for people to celebrate Hanukkah or Diwali or Eid but I don't have to also celebrate it because I'm not Jewish, Hindu or Muslim.

I am perfectly happy for people to celebrate Thanksgiving or Bastille day but I don't feel the need to equally celebrate it for the sake of diversity because I'm not American or French.

By emphasising what are the differences rather than what we have in common you create the Balkanisation of a country, division and yes racism.

Genuine question, do you think that the concept that people should be judged on the content of their character rather than the colour of their skin is in itself someway racist?

The only reason I got that flat in the first place was because it was in a hard to let area that no one wanted to live in - or I would still be waiting. I did mention elsewhere that I managed homeless units - I am quite aware of how hard it is for some people to get council or private rented accommodation - even people who are homeless and in temporary accommodation

Yes you were belittling me because of my age. You made the assumption that I don't know anything about how the housing system works apart from my own experience as a tenant - and that is not the case. I don't live in a bubble. I have friends down south who pay a grand a month for crap sub standard accommodation

By the way - it wasn't that easy to get council housing in the 70s either. My mum was initially refused a council house when she split from my dad just incase he moved into the town we lived in

She had to battle to get one - after spending time living with family and in temporary accommodation and then was helpfully told by a housing officer that someone might be able to pull strings and get her a house - if she slept with him

No hard to let in my area, people will take anything. There’s a neighbouring area that apparently has a shorter list I couldn’t go on because I had no connection to the area despite living ten miles away. I guess this is also why people get angry with mass migration they get told they have no connection to an area they’ve lived ten miles from their entire life but watch people from thousands of miles away come and get offered.

Anyway this is no longer personally relevant to me because I brought a place recently before someone starts with the ad hominems

I have tried to say more than once on this thread that there are areas in my home town that were half full because people refused to live there - and that is fact. And then when some of them were offered to refugees all hell broke loose.

Just the fact that Cruella wants to repeal the Equalities Act should mean that 50% of the population should be against Reform

There's hard to let everywhere and it's naive to think otherwise.

Never, hell would have to freeze over first.

Exactly, I don't think it's you or me who is out of touch here!

Whether immigration is economically positive or negative depends on a large number of factors.

This includes their age, education, earnings, their use of public services, and how long they stay in the UK.

Many migrants have a positive impact on public finances when they are educated, high earning, young and can't claim benefits, but a negative impact if they are uneducated, low paid, bring dependents and later as they age, use the NHS more, and get access to benefits.

If you genuinely believe that immigration is such a net economic positive then presumably you would be in favour of full open borders?

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I should actually be thankful that I have reached the grand old age of 57 before I have been called old enough to be someone's granny online just because we disagree on something - I actually don't have kids (which makes it more insulting - some women struggle to conceive and I think people should be mindful of that when they say stuff like that).

I don't relate to other women on whether they have children or whether they are old enough to be someone's mum - particularly when the suggestion was being made that I'm old and out of touch

It's odd - because my brother who has just turned 47 has never had it suggested that he's a grandpa or old enough to be someone's grandpa. He's a PT and very fit and until last year was playing football with some 20 somethings - they didn't run around calling him "pops"

I have friends older than me and younger than me - I have never met anyone that's cared what age I am -, till now

I can assure you where I am there is not

I don’t care how old you are I was just making the point that the real estate sorry I mean property market and council waiting lists have changed massively in thirty years

You're just not aware.

If reform were to actually start behaving like actual responsible politicians, that would help.

Farage continues his policy from his MEP days of doing absolutely fuck all for his constitency and barely bothering his arse to turn up to westminster, let alone vote on anything. I was slightly dismayed to discover I have a reform counciller now - guess which one never turns up to council meetings or bothers his arse to answer letters?

The whole lot of them are a bunch of lazy chancers who do not give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves.

Also, according to Reform and their fellow travellers protections for disabled people in the workplace have gone to far. So if you have a job and are disabled it should be legal for your employer to sack you or to not put any provisions (ramps etc) in place. Also, if you can't get into work (no ramps) you shouldn't be WFH either because that's bad. And any attempts made to help disabled people find work is "equity gone mad" and unfair on groups not in the "underprivileged hierarchy". But... disabled people should be working and not be on benefits. 🙄

Have you ever thought about just not being disabled?

I was on the council waiting lists for years and bid on everything possible, I have friends still on it bidding on everything unsuccessfully. I then privately rented the cheapest place possible around here, still very expensive.

I am 100% aware

No, and the more ex Conservatives they welcome, the more resounding that no becomes.

Full open borders

You mean like EU Freedom of Movement?

Or somehting different?

You made the comment that I was old enough to be your granny - and you only knew my age because I told you you were wrong when you were accusing me of being someone else on here

I didn't waltz into my last flat as I said earlier. I got one in an area that no one wanted to live in or I would still be waiting - not sure if you picked that part up - the part that you don't seem to believe

I also don't live in a bubble. I can read. You seem to be suggesting that it was oh so easy to get a council flat when I got one. It wasn't. I would have been waiting ten years plus if I hadn't taken that flat