Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

Yes. Why?

“The issue for me is - as a white person - I am never going to be abused because of the colour of my skin. I'll never know what that feels like“

Here you say white people cannot be abused because of the colour of their skin, unless you really are solely talking about yourself in that case how do you know you will never be abused because of the colour of your skin?

I'll say it one more time. I lived in an area for 25 years that was more or less half full when I moved in.

There was one very anti social family - they were drug dealers. More than one family left the area because of them.
I also had another dealer living next door to me for a few years.

At one point the council furnished some of the flats to try and get the scheme full and it only got fuller in the end because a lot of Polish families moved in

You're trying to suggest that I'm not telling the truth - when I am. And the suggestion seems to be that why should refugees have got these flats when there are local people on council waiting lists - because no one wanted to live there

I DID live anywhere - other people didn't want to

I really can't be bothered "debating" with someone who dismisses everything I post

There are still some towers in the area which will be eventually flattened as well - at the moment there are Ukrainian refugees in them

How many white people experience racism?

I might as well debate with a plate of jelly if you think white people get abused because of their skin colour

Just how diverse is the area you live in @Moonshadowmoon? I’m just baffled how you seem to think stopping brown men coming into the country is more important and will affect your day to day life more than any of the other policies Reform stand for.

The the rich will pay less tax, you’d have a US style healthcare model so no more NHS and you’d have to fund insurances to pay for any healthcare needed, no minimum wage, cuts to benefits, and you’d have no rights when pregnant or being female as we’d be leaving the ECHR and scrapping the equality act.

Does getting rid of brown men really mean that you’re happy at the cost of all the above?

Pakistani rape gangs targeted white girls. What do you call that if it wasn't racially motivated abuse?

Respectfully you’re old enough to be my grandmother, seriously if my oldest kid has a child the age I had them that would make the age difference between you and me. You’re very out of touch where people could once be fussy about where they lived they can’t now. That’s why you see people living in cars and shit. Or having roommates who are the anti social drug dealers/users and having to share the kitchen with them. Millions of people out there would pick sharing a neighbourhood with people like that over sharing the kitchen with them. Trust me I’ve been there.

Anyway maybe it’s different in Scotland I’m not saying you’re lying just that it’s not the case here

I have a friend from uni who is Black and who was almost arrested after a night out for just standing in the street. It took the intervention of a colleague to de escalate the situation

Her son who lives with her, she lives in London was stopped because he has a sports car - one that he paid for himself - because police thought he had stolen it.

That's the reality of what some BAME people face daily. Go look up the case of Sarah Reed compared to how Lavinia Woodward was treated by the criminal justice system. Lavinia stabbed her boyfriend while high on drugs and wasn't sent to prison because she was considered to too bright to be jailed by a white middle class judge. Sarah hung herself on remand in Holloway prison - she was remanded after trying to defend herself from a sexual assault

Go look up the case of Sheku Baron-do you think a white man would have been treated in the same way by police?

BAME people are more likely to be arrested. Incarcerated. Stopped and searched by police than white people - because of the colour of their skin..

Iain Livingstone who is the ex chief constable of police Scotland said police were institutionally racist and exist as well

My relative I already mentioned got beat up for being one of the only white kids in his school, you can read the stories of grooming gang survivors who were called white slags and white trash by their abusers. The information is out there you just don’t want to hear anything that goes against your worldview **

How come immigration is economically positive then?

What has my age got to do with anything? I'm out of touch? I can assure you that's the last thing I am. If I were out of touch I wouldn't have accepted a flat next to anti social drug dealers would I?

I'm actually a qualified addiction worker and I've managed homeless units as well. Have you?

My mum had me at 19 - what relevance does you being a young mother have to do with anything that's been said on here?

Oh well - being old enough to be someone's granny - makes you out of touch.

I'll remember that the next time I express an opinion

I don't really want to debate anything with someone who uses age as a way to belittle someone - then posting "maybe it's different in Scotland" at the end of every paragraph

I meant out of touch with how expensive rent is nowadays and how young people and families can’t be fussy at all. You’re over three decades older than me and a lot has changed in that time. You can’t expect anyone under 30 to believe it’s common for “no one” to want to live somewhere.

Younger people are lucky to live next door to drug dealers and not in the same house as drug users sharing the kitchen and bathroom

I’m not belittling you, it’s only relevant to the price of rent and homes. A lot has changed in 32 years, most older people who are up to date with real estate acknowledge this, it’s not an insult

I don't know why people imagine ageism to be any less damaging than other forms of prejudice. It always seems to affect women disproportionately too - the idea of being a grandmother or the age of a grandmother is almost seen as shameful. She'll be calling you an old dear next!

We don’t have “real estate” in the UK.

Real estate?
Yes I had my doubts, now they're solidified.

Are you ignoring this question @Moonshadowmoon? Surely as an educated woman living in the U.K. it’s important to do your research and know exactly what you’re getting if you vote for Farage? Seems a little strange to give away your human rights, free healthcare and be worse off financially, all on specifically getting Afghan men out wouldn’t it?

Those Afghan men must really be affecting your day to day life 🙃

Right - so my local council decided to flatten the area that I lived in and build other homes on the same area because people actually wanted to live there? They chose to make that decision because the housing scheme was notorious and people didn't want to live there -because of the number of empty properties

What actually makes you think that I don't know how expensive rent is in parts of the UK because of my age?.
I only left that flat five years ago. I had to because my ex landlord demolished it

Ah I get it. I should have considered myself lucky to live next to drug dealers who hounded the life out of me and others for a decade. Including multiple threats - because some people have to share kitchens with them - there's always someone who has it worse than you - you old out of touch person.

I was 26 when I moved into that flat by the way.

I live in a council flat in the west of Scotland by the way. Nothing about my life is privileged in any way shape or form

Yeah that sucks I’m not saying it doesn’t I had to share a kitchen and bathroom and living room with someone who tried putting my head theough the wall because I asked her to turn her music down. She broke all my plates after arguments and poured all my shampoos and shower gels down the drain. It’s not a competition of who had it harder and I don’t want it to be. I didn’t even get a council place after all that had to privately rent very expensive. I’m just saying a lot has changed in 30 years. Plenty of people willing to live anywhere now

And what is wrong with saying real estate ?

I rent a council flat. I have no idea why you are putting the words real estate next to anything I have said on here

I'm from a single parent family in a rough inner city area, went to a sink school. Spent my life working in the public sector and charities. But apparently I look down my boastful nose on "lowly peasants". 🤣

Because it takes years of house sharing like I described in my above comment to get a council places these days and most give up and private rent which is expensive these days.

A lot has changed in a short space of time and I was not belittling you because of your age just pointing that out