Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

The only things that’ll make me more likely to vote for them are a lobotomy or being kicked savagely in the head by a horse. Hopefully neither of these will happen.

Already have, definitely will again. Get rid of bloody useless labour and tories, let someone else have a go. It can’t get any worse!

I guess it depends what you think of as worse. As a female who is the mother of a disabled child then I think things would get much worse for me and many many others.

Nope, never. I don't understand why Reform gets so much press and I don't understand why there isn't more push back against some of their policies or practices.

It definitely can get worse and will if Reform get in.

Disagree :)

No fucking way am I voting for them ever. They are sucking up the very worst of the last few Tory governments and presenting them as change?!

which of their policies do you think will make your life better?

Which of their policies do you think will make life better for people with disabilities and their families?

@YourKonstantine can you explain how it is "giving someone else a go", when they are full of the "bloody useless ... tories"? Braverman, Jenrick etc. were all significant figures in government just a couple of year back.

Which of the current Government's policies have made your life better?
Which of their policies have made life better for people with disabilities and their families?
That's the problem.

So basically you can’t answer the question!

I am not saying that things are perfect as they are. They are far from it but as it stands my son gets the education he deserves, NHS treatment in a fairly timely manner and that I don’t need to worry about paying for. I get the support needed to help me care for him and maintain working. There is a lot that needs improving but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Reform would do anything other than make things worse.

Jet 2-darling hold my hand.

No they are Temu Nazis, never never never.

Are you aware of the impact of Reform winning in Kent? Have a read about it. Then come back and tell us that it 'can't get any worse'.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting things are perfect as they are. But we need to be very careful that we don’t end up jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

Reform are led by someone who seemingly doesn’t even show up for his own constituency, who only cares about one issue and seems to be focused on himself.

This is exactly why I will never vote labour. Watch Rupert Lowes coverage of the trials. Most of the victims were 12 year old girls when it started.

I know right!! 😂

Dropping the two child benefit cap will help families in need. Not me personally but I don't just think about myself.

I’m looking forward to Reform getting in, it’s the only way these goons will be exposed for the shysters they are. The councils they already have, they can’t manage.. they have put up the Council Tax they promised to cut .. they can’t find the waste they insisted was there.. and have found out that there isn’t massive corruption to be uncovered.

As for a National Government it will the same, but just worse on a National Level.

The question was not directed at me. So no I did not answer it.
I am not Reform voter by the way.
I was merely pointing out that the reason i think Reform is getting a foothold is the perception that Labour - which came to office with such a tide of goodwill - is letting people down badly.
They voted for Labour because they felt let down by the Tories and now they feel let down again. So they are looking elsewhere.
If Labour had not been so supercillious and critical of the Tories when in opposition, they would not appear so hypocritical now and Reform might have been held at bay.
Just my observations, not interested in 'gotcha'

This!

I'm not any more likely to vote reform as I am to vote labour or conservative. The frustrating aspect is the by design polarisation, the bullshit assertion that reform would be/are actually any worse than the aforementioned.
The UK is a wildly expensive shithole because of consecutive conservative and labour governments. The country is actually on it's knees (it's not just an 'if you vote this way, this will happen' proposition; it's an actual reality) but people reserve their venom for reform, because that's what they've been coached to do. If you're planning to vote labour or conservative in the next elections, you'd be as well voting reform, because you're just voting for different shades of the same shit.

It just seems like recycled, discredited Tories now, so I wouldn’t. But, I haven’t got a clue who I would vote for - they’re all useless.

I would rather vote Labour/ Con / Liberal over Reform, but I would rather vote Reform over Greens.

The Greens would destroy the economy with their failure to understand the difference between national debt and debt interest, a confrontational approach to the bond markets (that will make Liz Truss seem rational in comparison), open borders, a racist immigration policy viewing immigrants as slave labour to do the jobs that are beneath UK nationals, an approach to the trans issue that is at odds with most women, a net zero energy policy that is both unworkable and would make energy unaffordable to both businesses and households.

All topped by a man who claims to be able to increase your breast size through hypnosis.

So yes whilst the venom on this thread has been directed at Reform, the Greens are far more dangerous, hateful and damaging than Reform would ever be.

It'll help all of us to some extent. Unequal societies are more violent and unsettled places to be. From a reduction in shoplifting for essentials to kids being less disruptive in classes because they're hungry, from fewer parents using NHS resources to cope with the physical and mental ill health caused by poverty to more people being in a position to work because they're not hamstrung by being too poor to meet their essential needs, the removal of this poverty creating legislation benefits everyone.

I could never understand why people thought it was a good idea to legislate in favour of more inequality based on some spurious and ideological moral grounds. This is why I said earlier that advocates of the two child cap lack the ability to think clearly.