Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

Absolutely fucking not

That’s factually incorrect, It was 34 rape victims with Jimmy Saville versus over 1400 grooming gang victims.

In that situation, I’d still utilise my right to vote by spoiling my ballot paper. Not a nice predicament to be in, though!

Don’t worry. Just interested to read the well reasoned posts regardless of what they support..

Seems entirely sensible, what is it that you take issue with?

Absolutely not.

Sorry, been busy working. I had only just picked up the 2 child cap from the radio. Will wait to hear debates on LBC on the rest of his policies.

at this moment, whoever is likely to help me keep more of my hard earned money will likely get my vote! Still undecided.

I was asking if you are happy with that applying to fee paying schools or do you think they will be exempt?

Get rid of VAT but only half the students get to go to Oxbridge?

God no. I’d rather spoil my ballot..

well done for standing up for yourself! People can debate without calling others stupid etc!

I am the OP. I agree. Name calling has no place on this thread.

What's factually incorrect? Jimmy Savile was the most prolific abuser. Can you name me a perpetrator who has had over 450 reports of sexual abuse made against them? An individual, not a whole demographic.
It's not a competition anyway, there are men of all ethnic groups who sexually abuse children, but Reform and their supporters only care if the perpetrator is Asian. Why is that?

Was that meant to be "they have my vote" ?

Just goes to show they appeal to people who can't string a sentence together!🤣

‘Handmaid’s Tale future’: Reform’s Matt Goodwin sparks outcry with fertility comments | Reform UK | The Guardian https://share.google/OO49UjnrLMU38DANs

Reform’s by-election candidate suggested people who don’t have children should pay more tax | The Independent https://share.google/go865RfGlMyVXLawK

When their candidates think they know what women should be doing; having babies, and if you dont you pay more taxes 🤔

Taxing childfree people more... beggars belief that people can openly voice this never mind think it should be policy. If this doesnt put people off; dystopian.

Well, thanks to those who have been able to present a reasoned reason, either way. It was informative. Back to work to pay for those taxes!

I don’t understand what you’ve taken from that speech that has you rattled, I didn’t get any hint that you’d need an exemption to go to university? or that it was linked in anyway to rolling back the children’s education and vocational training tax.

No.

I’m not angry enough about immigration, or whether women choose to have children or not, or disabled people.

• Education divides attitudes on race and immigration more strongly in the UK than it does in the US – people with lower levels of educational qualification hold more socially conservative views in both countries, but the gap between degree‑holders and non‑degree‑holders is wider in the UK, especially on diversity and immigration.

From https://natcen.ac.uk/publications/demographic-divides-what-drives-attitudes-uk-and-us

• In the UK, people with qualifications below A level have more than double the likelihood of supporting the Conservatives or Reform UK compared to those with higher levels of education.

From
https://natcen.ac.uk/news/educational-experience-primary-driver-uks-divide-immigration-and-politics

I can’t find the main article I read with graphs in but these back it up.

What I quoted in my reply ‘I think the most prolific sexual abuse in my lifetime was carried out by a white man named Jimmy Saville’ is factually incorrect, it was carried out by grooming gangs over 1400 rapes to 35.

I see you have slightly changed your wording now, but your original quote is still there. I do completely agree with you that there was no ethnic demographic element to Jimmy Saville, but there was with the grooming gangs, their victims and the attitude of the authorities who turned a blind eye. I believe that’s why Reform are interested in it, they also don’t appear to be reliant on that particular sectarian voting block as other parties are and are therefore in a better position to stop this happening going forward.

Anyone who agrees with the two child benefit cap lacks both empathy and critical thinking skills. I'd give up my vote forever before I'd give it to Reform or any other hard/far right party.

Why have Reform bailed on lifting the 2 child cap? It was one of their main points for a while?

Not a chance.

But to be fair to them and sorry for pointing out the obvious, they did at least have the empathy and critical thinking skills to look after their own children.

Sorry I don't know what you mean.

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