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How are Grammar schools so much better than comprehensives if they get the same funding?

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Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 15:33

Me and my partner are in a situation where we are looking to relocate in order to move to a Grammar school area. This is going to involve us both having to find new jobs and coordinate a house move at the same time.

Some of my family disagree with our decision to move for the sake of grammar school and don't see how they can be better than a normal comprehensive school.

I am hoping some people on here will have some knowledge on how grammar schools achieve so much better than comprehensives?

Also anyone with experience with grammar schools they could share? From what I have read the class sizes aren't much different to comprehensives and they get the same funding. Is it literally just a case of because they do the 11+ they tend to only take on the more academically inclined kids. Does this translate to less bad behaviour etc compared to comprehensive schools?

The move is going to be stressful with us both trying to find new jobs plus moving further away from both our families I want it to be worth it! Our local comprehensive is awful for results and we want to give the kids the best opportunities.

Personally I would rather homeschool and fully keep them out of the school system but my partner is very against this and is determined we need to move to a grammar school area so any advise to aid our discussion would be amazing!

Are we being unreasonable to relocate for the possibility of grammar school?

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IdaGlossop · 16/02/2026 18:55

Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 17:08

I have 0 teaching experience. But especially for Primary school I can't see how sitting in a classroom of 30 children could possibly be more helpful and academically beneficial than being at home 1-1 or 1-2 with a parent and tutors when needed as they get older.

I have read so many things of kids being in massive classes dealing with other childrens bad behaviour rather than learning, the bullying and not to mention the lack of care for childrens health when they are unwell or mentally struggling but parents being hassled about attendance.

You have very fixed ideas. Most of your arguments can be reversed. My DD went to a junior school known by the more middle-class, white schools in our part of the city as being rough. (Kudos for this when she went to secondary.) One child in her class had to be restrained for running around the classroom with a pair if scissors in his hand. (Recounted at the dinner table as an amusing incident.) His twin scaled the school wall and ran away. (Taken in her stride as something these twins just did.) The boy assigned to be her IT partner said he'd rather stick his head down the toilet than be her IT partner, campaigned to get her thrown off the school council and rapped at her and a white friend that 'white girls are easy' (the school admirably dealt with it as a racist incident as the rapping boy was black). She laughed at all of this. Lots of learning happened, as her SATs results showed.

PeppyCoralTiger · 16/02/2026 18:55

What I've observed is that the children enjoy learning and the teaching style is more collaborative. They all learn from one another and the teachers generally treat them as they're mature. The speed the lessons move at means they're not getting bored waiting for others to catch up. The children are used to be top of their class when they were younger and they meet their academic equal and then push one another to achieve more.

There really isn't anything magical happening at Grammar Schools. If mixed ability children were sent to the same school they would not achieve the same outcome.

Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 18:55

Sophieispissedoffnow · 16/02/2026 18:49

But if they don’t get into the grammar then the comprehensive option may be worse than in other nonselective areas

Yeah a few people have mentioned this. It may be we need to look for some good primarys and comprehensives.

Worst case if we can find somewhere to move where I don't have to go back to work then at least if they have real issues at school or hate it I can pull them out.

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Swiftie1878 · 16/02/2026 18:56

IdaGlossop · 16/02/2026 18:55

You have very fixed ideas. Most of your arguments can be reversed. My DD went to a junior school known by the more middle-class, white schools in our part of the city as being rough. (Kudos for this when she went to secondary.) One child in her class had to be restrained for running around the classroom with a pair if scissors in his hand. (Recounted at the dinner table as an amusing incident.) His twin scaled the school wall and ran away. (Taken in her stride as something these twins just did.) The boy assigned to be her IT partner said he'd rather stick his head down the toilet than be her IT partner, campaigned to get her thrown off the school council and rapped at her and a white friend that 'white girls are easy' (the school admirably dealt with it as a racist incident as the rapping boy was black). She laughed at all of this. Lots of learning happened, as her SATs results showed.

I don’t think you’re helping! 😂

SeriousTissues · 16/02/2026 18:56

My daughter’s very academic, got joint top results in her SATs. Has that analytical type of brain that found the practice papers her cousin had for sitting the Grammar test quite easy. But she had no desire to go to the Grammar as it was too big. The child who got the joint top results with her also chose not to go. A couple of her friends who passed the Grammar test also chose not to go. I think there’s just one of her old friends there. Behaviour there is OK but she does tell me stories of what’s gone on there which are as shocking as some of the behaviours in her very small comp. However, the comp in the same town as the Grammar does have a terrible reputation for behaviour, far worse than both the Grammar and the small comp. The testing regime in the Grammar is relentless and does cause anxieties.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 16/02/2026 18:57

taxguru · 16/02/2026 18:49

Nice in theory, but even the best supported kids can struggle at a crap comp, or even a decent comp with poor/haphazard pastoral support meaning they're bullied.

Sure. But kids can also struggle/get bullied in independent schools or state grammar schools. I know plenty of people who struggled in such schools.

Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 18:59

Tiswa · 16/02/2026 18:54

But what you are actually doing isn’t preventing that because things happen no matter how much you try. Just because your awful trigger was school moving doesn’t mean theirs will

because what you are doing is rather than looking at your children and what is right for them is making choices based on YOUR trauma and your upbringing

we can’t protect our children from the world simply make sure we do what is best and give them the tools to protect themselves

I do agree but as a parent I can also do everything possible to not make my kids need to go through something.

If that means I have to be a bit stressed working out the best option available for my kids then thats olay for me. I know I cant protect them from everything but I can do the best I can.

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Sophieispissedoffnow · 16/02/2026 18:59

Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 18:55

Yeah a few people have mentioned this. It may be we need to look for some good primarys and comprehensives.

Worst case if we can find somewhere to move where I don't have to go back to work then at least if they have real issues at school or hate it I can pull them out.

Yes, honestly you really do sound overly anxious about this at this stage. Not a criticism, try to relax and get ready for your new arrival 💐

Bigwhyfronts · 16/02/2026 19:03

You see I’m the opposite, utterly relieved when we moved away from a grammar school city to a small town with good comps. There is none of the pressure, the tutoring, the disappointment if they miss out on a place, the potential for siblings ending up at different schools, the crazy expensive uniforms. My daughter is doing really, she can walk from our house, the pastoral side is excellent.

Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 19:04

IdaGlossop · 16/02/2026 18:55

You have very fixed ideas. Most of your arguments can be reversed. My DD went to a junior school known by the more middle-class, white schools in our part of the city as being rough. (Kudos for this when she went to secondary.) One child in her class had to be restrained for running around the classroom with a pair if scissors in his hand. (Recounted at the dinner table as an amusing incident.) His twin scaled the school wall and ran away. (Taken in her stride as something these twins just did.) The boy assigned to be her IT partner said he'd rather stick his head down the toilet than be her IT partner, campaigned to get her thrown off the school council and rapped at her and a white friend that 'white girls are easy' (the school admirably dealt with it as a racist incident as the rapping boy was black). She laughed at all of this. Lots of learning happened, as her SATs results showed.

I'm not sure this has made me feel better 🙈

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Tiswa · 16/02/2026 19:04

Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 18:59

I do agree but as a parent I can also do everything possible to not make my kids need to go through something.

If that means I have to be a bit stressed working out the best option available for my kids then thats olay for me. I know I cant protect them from everything but I can do the best I can.

Yes but that also means I think getting a handle on your clear trauma because there are going to be tricky moments in parenting, times when friendship drama overshadow education - trust me as the parent of two teens you cannot and will not escape that. You cannot protect them from life and let them live it

but what you cannot do is at the first sign of this is panic and spiral because trust me catastrophising is one of the WORST things you can do as a parent.

by all means research and make the best choices you can but that also means making choices based on who they are (as I said one did grammar the other most definitely did not)

Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 19:06

Sophieispissedoffnow · 16/02/2026 18:59

Yes, honestly you really do sound overly anxious about this at this stage. Not a criticism, try to relax and get ready for your new arrival 💐

Its a really big decision so its hard not to let it consume my brain.

I was adament I wanted to homeschool at least for primary but my partner doesn't agree so it make things feel a bit more pressing with DS needing to apply for primary next year and us hating our catchment primarys and our town.

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Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 19:09

Bigwhyfronts · 16/02/2026 19:03

You see I’m the opposite, utterly relieved when we moved away from a grammar school city to a small town with good comps. There is none of the pressure, the tutoring, the disappointment if they miss out on a place, the potential for siblings ending up at different schools, the crazy expensive uniforms. My daughter is doing really, she can walk from our house, the pastoral side is excellent.

I think if we had better schools around us it wouldn't be such a big deal.

I think I may do as another psoter suggested and apply for primary schools further away but in a better area and see if he can get in and then just commute him there.

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Robotindisguise · 16/02/2026 19:09

If you’re moving for a school, surely you’d move to the catchment area of a really good comprehensive? Then you take out the hazard of them not getting in? My kids’ one is brilliant, I’m very lucky. Look at Progress 8 scores.

You really can’t tell from early Primary where your child will end up by the time they hit 11+. My daughter had a prodigious early vocabulary, could identify colours and numbers super-early and read chapter books in reception despite being an August baby. I had private little dreams of her going to Oxbridge. She is autistic and sitting her GCSEs this year - barring two of them, it’s quite likely she’ll fail the lot, and we have nowhere suitable for sixth form with low predictions and no real manual dexterity. You never know what’s round the corner.

Philandbill · 16/02/2026 19:10

I went to a mixed sex grammar school a very long time ago. If you're taking the kids that pass the eleven plus then you're off to a flying start academically in terms of getting good results. I enjoyed it, my brother didn't. It was very, very competitive and left me with a massive inferiority complex academically as in grammar school terms I was very average. Don't care if this is bragging because it illustrated a point; I got a first at a Russel group uni because I worked like hell for my degree because I was always afraid of failing. Did a masters with the O.U. after that, also to subconsciously prove a point - see above for inferiority complex. I think you have to be a particular type of student to sail through a grammar school education.
We could have chosen grammar applications for our DC as we are just over the border for a grammar county. DD1 may have got in, I'm pretty certain DD2 would have. Both have absolutely thrived at a very mixed inner city comprehensive. Both were in sets 1 or 2 for maths/ science /English and the mixed sets for other subjects didn't hurt; both got very good GCSEs and were able to do quite niche subjects as the school is very big. DD1 got higher than the grades she needed for the uni course she wanted and DD2's A level predictions are high though it would help if she spent this week working rather than on her phone with friends...

IdaGlossop · 16/02/2026 19:12

Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 19:04

I'm not sure this has made me feel better 🙈

All experiences are learning experiences! DD has just graduated in modern languages and spent a year in France. She's a home bird and hated it. But she stuck it out because I raised her to be tough. The junior school is Ofsted Outstanding, by the way, because of teacher CPD and its ambitious curriculum.

Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 19:13

Robotindisguise · 16/02/2026 19:09

If you’re moving for a school, surely you’d move to the catchment area of a really good comprehensive? Then you take out the hazard of them not getting in? My kids’ one is brilliant, I’m very lucky. Look at Progress 8 scores.

You really can’t tell from early Primary where your child will end up by the time they hit 11+. My daughter had a prodigious early vocabulary, could identify colours and numbers super-early and read chapter books in reception despite being an August baby. I had private little dreams of her going to Oxbridge. She is autistic and sitting her GCSEs this year - barring two of them, it’s quite likely she’ll fail the lot, and we have nowhere suitable for sixth form with low predictions and no real manual dexterity. You never know what’s round the corner.

We dont have many 'really good' comprehensives and it appears that most areas with really good ones come with a heck of a price tag on the property unless we really did want to move miles and miles from family.

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Holdinguphalfthesky · 16/02/2026 19:26

@Karma1387 as a parent and a teacher in a grammar school area, I’ll answer your questions and also add some advice/opinions. I’ve taught in secondary, primary, private tutoring, sixth form, and SEN in my county.

Grammar schools create an environment where the academic kids with engaged families and the resources to succeed (not necessarily financial, but cultural and emotional resources around attitude to education, having a household with wide interests and a family that discusses different topics are supportive) are generally separated from the other kids- those who are less academic and those whose families haven’t engaged with the system enough to put them in for the test. Those kids go to the “comprehensive” schools, which end up anything but, and tend to have above-average intake of free school meals and children with My Plan, My Plan + and EHCPs. As a result those schools have to do more with less.

Children who are coached through the 11+ often struggle at grammar school.

Grammars in my county don’t have catchment areas and take children from several counties away. It’s done on a ranking system and even if you get above the pass mark there isn’t any guarantee of a place, it depends where you fall in the list and how many people above you choose the school you want.

Non-selective counties where there is one school in a town tend to take everyone so will have a more balanced intake and offer a more truly “comprehensive” experience.

Grammar schools best serve academic children who are quite resilient. One local grammar to us has a terrible reputation for eating disorders and anxiety, another boys’ school has a terrible reputation for toxic masculinity and bullying, and anxiety. Like any school, there will be good and bad. And every child will have a best-fit school whether that’s affected by the journey they have, the luck of the classmates, their interests and aptitudes, or some other factor.

Primaries are different, their nurture and socialisation of the children are more important than the lessons, really, as you can scaffold your children’s learning if you think the school’s provision is lacking. Secondary can be like that too, but arguably it’s harder to compensate for a poor secondary experience.

Given all you have said, I would strongly urge you to take your time to find a place you want to live in for itself, and not worry about the schools there. A school that’s good now might be terrible in a couple of years. A terrible one could be turned around and be brilliant. Your kids are so young and you’re trying to future-proof your lives, but you can’t. You don’t know what sort of children they’ll be or what they’ll need.

If anything I might gently suggest you look for decent SEN provision- because whether or not your children need it, a county that supports its most vulnerable children and families well is perhaps more likely to have supportive, attuned, and effective education more generally.

taxguru · 16/02/2026 19:27

PeppyCoralTiger · 16/02/2026 18:55

What I've observed is that the children enjoy learning and the teaching style is more collaborative. They all learn from one another and the teachers generally treat them as they're mature. The speed the lessons move at means they're not getting bored waiting for others to catch up. The children are used to be top of their class when they were younger and they meet their academic equal and then push one another to achieve more.

There really isn't anything magical happening at Grammar Schools. If mixed ability children were sent to the same school they would not achieve the same outcome.

Edited

Nail on the head. All about attitude, i.e. less disruption and fewer struggling pupils taking up a disproportionate amount of teacher time whilst other kids are stagnating whilst waiting for the lessons to restart and stragglers to catch up.

Thechaseison71 · 16/02/2026 19:29

taxguru · 16/02/2026 19:27

Nail on the head. All about attitude, i.e. less disruption and fewer struggling pupils taking up a disproportionate amount of teacher time whilst other kids are stagnating whilst waiting for the lessons to restart and stragglers to catch up.

That was exactly my state school experienin infants it was " you sit in the book corner while the rest of the class does times tables, you get milk in while the rest of the class learns letters etc. ( the private one I went to was a grammar with selective prep dept)

And at secondary put your hand up to answer a question and ignored while the teacher wastes 10 mins with the kid at the back to go " err umm dunno miss" slowing everyone down

HelloPossible · 16/02/2026 19:32

I am not convinced Grammar schools are what they were, the local one to me has a ridiculously large catchment area which keeps getting bigger as the years go by. Local schools are good and are the opposite, have tiny strict catchment areas. ( middle class area) So the locals for whatever reason aren’t even applying to the Grammar.

Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 19:34

Holdinguphalfthesky · 16/02/2026 19:26

@Karma1387 as a parent and a teacher in a grammar school area, I’ll answer your questions and also add some advice/opinions. I’ve taught in secondary, primary, private tutoring, sixth form, and SEN in my county.

Grammar schools create an environment where the academic kids with engaged families and the resources to succeed (not necessarily financial, but cultural and emotional resources around attitude to education, having a household with wide interests and a family that discusses different topics are supportive) are generally separated from the other kids- those who are less academic and those whose families haven’t engaged with the system enough to put them in for the test. Those kids go to the “comprehensive” schools, which end up anything but, and tend to have above-average intake of free school meals and children with My Plan, My Plan + and EHCPs. As a result those schools have to do more with less.

Children who are coached through the 11+ often struggle at grammar school.

Grammars in my county don’t have catchment areas and take children from several counties away. It’s done on a ranking system and even if you get above the pass mark there isn’t any guarantee of a place, it depends where you fall in the list and how many people above you choose the school you want.

Non-selective counties where there is one school in a town tend to take everyone so will have a more balanced intake and offer a more truly “comprehensive” experience.

Grammar schools best serve academic children who are quite resilient. One local grammar to us has a terrible reputation for eating disorders and anxiety, another boys’ school has a terrible reputation for toxic masculinity and bullying, and anxiety. Like any school, there will be good and bad. And every child will have a best-fit school whether that’s affected by the journey they have, the luck of the classmates, their interests and aptitudes, or some other factor.

Primaries are different, their nurture and socialisation of the children are more important than the lessons, really, as you can scaffold your children’s learning if you think the school’s provision is lacking. Secondary can be like that too, but arguably it’s harder to compensate for a poor secondary experience.

Given all you have said, I would strongly urge you to take your time to find a place you want to live in for itself, and not worry about the schools there. A school that’s good now might be terrible in a couple of years. A terrible one could be turned around and be brilliant. Your kids are so young and you’re trying to future-proof your lives, but you can’t. You don’t know what sort of children they’ll be or what they’ll need.

If anything I might gently suggest you look for decent SEN provision- because whether or not your children need it, a county that supports its most vulnerable children and families well is perhaps more likely to have supportive, attuned, and effective education more generally.

Thank you so much for such a balanced response. That is really helpful thank you!

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LIHS · 16/02/2026 19:38

Are your DC academically very capable? If they are they’ll more likely enjoy the grammar experience.

LIHS · 16/02/2026 19:40

And yes, as other posters have said, children who are coached for the 11+ can struggle at grammar and make them (and their keen parents) miserable.

Sophieispissedoffnow · 16/02/2026 19:41

LIHS · 16/02/2026 19:38

Are your DC academically very capable? If they are they’ll more likely enjoy the grammar experience.

Hard to tell when one is two years old and the other hasn’t been born yet 😀

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