To be annoyed I had to watch GB News to see coverage of anti women protestors at Southwark

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A mother, Miranda Newsom, had her gym membership suspended for a year after reporting an "unmistakably male" trans woman in the female changing room.

Why isn't this on the BBC? The reporter in the video is doing genuinely impressive investigative journalism, didn't we used to have the national broadcaster to do this sort of thing?

The data comes from cross referencing the number of people who declared themselves to be trans in the most recent British Government's census with data from the Ministry of Justice about the trans population in prison, all turned into an infogrsphic for ease of viewing.

I know it must be hard for you to see this portrayed like this. The usual trans objection is that the prison data is too small a sample, not that it's an infigrsphic, but anyway, the prison data is not too small. And it is similar to other countries.

The fact is that trans women are not some unicorn type of being. They are not like women when it comes to sex offending. They retain male offending patterns.

And so there is no evidence that suggests they can safely be let in to women's spaces. And so, on what grounds is it even being suggested? It can only be because women's needs aren't considered important.

I use a David Lloyd gym with a mostly open plan locker room. There are 4 little cubicles too which allow women more dignity if they need it.

We did have a trans woman at one point a few years ago and I can tell you that this individual did not use the cubicles. He would also hover around when fully dressed, on his phone.

I believe trans women would be perfectly safe in a David Lloyd men's changing room. The idea they would be beaten up by fellow members is absurd.

It's interesting you don't ask @callmeLoretta1 that, when she's posted repeatedly and often about genitals and penises.

I have literally no idea why that’s a response to what I said. But yeah, OK!

Again. Not sure that addresses what I said at all.

i merely tried to point out that there are MANY issues impacting women’s rights and this is just one of them which seems to get a disproportionate amount of attention from a sub section of MN. A section who, just like you, resort to telling women that they are not the right sort of feminist, or not feminist enough, if we dare to disagree or question the MN line in this issue.

As for own personal experience at the hands of men, you have no fucking idea about me or my experience so you can cut the feminist lecture out thanks. I’m old enough and ugly enough to say that to you. Lots of women will shrink away from threads like this for fear of being shouted down and condescended to.

I hoped, after the High Court decision that some of this would have died down. But it shows no sign of abating. From either side. And that was a decision that a deep impact on someone in my immediate family so…

Where about?

And if we wanted to talk about those issues, we would. But we want to discuss this issue because it affects women far more than any of the other issues do. If we want to discuss it, we should be able to, without someone trying to deflect with whataboutery. The topic of this thread is quite obvious, no one is forcing you to post in the thread. You can find/start a thread on any of the topics you listed if you wish.

As you've had bad experiences with men, then surely you must agree with us that female only spaces are vital then? So what's your problem?

Btw, the High Court decision had a deep impact on every single woman and girl. 100% of the female population. It had no impact on the male population, other than those who wanted to access female only spaces regardless of their intent and reason, spaces that were DELIBERATELY DESIGNED to keep those males out.

Male aggression and male entitlement very much on show in the report

And people really question why its so important we have female only spaces

And no surprise at all unions are not supporting women

You’re not being unreasonable at all the bbc should not be the biased propaganda machine it is but the question is why are you still watching it and relying on it for your news?

So it is just a special beef with the BBC even though they are aligned with all media (except GB News) on this.

Got it.

I personally think that equal pay, affordable childcare, violence against women and girls etc affects far more women. Im not fixated on one issue. Which so many on mn are it seems to me. I’m not saying it’s not important. Of course it is. I just object to the constant frothing about it on mn. That’s what’s weird.

Yes I know the high court decision affects us all - most indirectly. I was trying to say that it directly affects one of my DC personally. And yet I’m still not a one issue monolith of fury.

I think it’s valid to be annoyed with the BBC as we all must pay our licence fee (if we want to watch live TV) yet they choose not to represent both sides of the debate.

This.

The BBC struggle with science and factual information where Trans issues are discussed.

They don't appear to like biological or real women much. They bend over backwards to accommodate men who like to wear dresses though.

Not every woman works or has kids. Every woman has to use a toilet. Or change room. Males in female spaces affects far, far, far, far more women (and girls) than equal pay or childcare. If we had your way we'd never talk about the issue because none of the issues you list are really ever going to be eradicated. Google the Urinary Leash. Women could not even participate in society (well at least only as far as their bladder could hold) before female only toilets came in. Forget work! If women don't have our own toilets we can't work!

There are girls who stay home from school when on their period because in their gender neutral toilets with the boys in the cubicles next to them, they have no private place to change their pads. Rattle of the plastic makes the boys giggle. Girls are losing time at school, over a basic hygiene and sanitary issue! Women are not drinking during the day and restricting fluids so they don't have to use the toilets at work, and getting UTIs and you can die from sepsis. A few on this board have said this about themselves. Don't you see? If women sex-exclude from participating in society, the economy collapses anyway. There is no greater issue than this. Not one single one. The SC decision impacts every single female. It does not affect anyone else directly unless they were born male and have nefarious intent. It will hopefully get girls back in school and women back in society participating.

No, because news kind of reports something that new. This isn't new. It's just the same stuff over and over again. I don't want to turn on the news to hear a story that just keeps getting recycled.

So you don't want to hear about Gaza or the environment?

They used to do investigations into things? This seems like quite a good deeper dive into the thoughts and logic of those there? Did you watch the video?

Nobody is presenting this story. Just one news outlet.
The BBC cannot cover every single protest or event that happens in the UK.

Numerous newspapers have covered it.

Just out of interest how do you think it will work out for equal pay when we now can have men who identifying as women skewing the statistics? Men who have adopted womanhood later in life have had all of the benefit of male privilege that Equal Pay reports are supposed to address, yet because they identify as women the gap will be narrower!

Same for violence against women, predominately male violence. Having statistics skewed by males who identify as women does not help address vawg.

I cannot fathom how you do not realise this?

If we cannot name women, without including men in the definition we cannot protect women's rights.

I think part of the reason that this particular topic gets so much focus on MN is that for years it was basically impossible to discuss it anywhere else, even in the most reasonable, measured, kind terms. If women could have said 'hey, seems a bit off to have a male in a women's prison' in 2017 without being met with death threats on Reddit, or similar, it might be a bit less laser-focused on that.

Women are capable of caring about more than one issue at a time - yes yes to gender pay gaps, WASPI, affordable childcare, Reform telling us to have more babies (wtf) bacause many issues affect different women at different times and often cross over.

It's simply that women's ability to say that men being able to call themselves women is a pretty big concern! It affects rape/sexual assault centres, gyms, swimming pools, changing rooms, girl guides- even the Wi! Not just toilets.
While ever people downplay women's concerns, the men will creep in a little further.
The good ones stay out so the bad ones stand out.

It's funny that people defend men's demands to use women's spaces; who's standing up for transmen? From what I've seen, they often take a backseat to the TW.
Wonder why that is?

Zactly. We were even corralled into a separate board, so that others could use the 'feminist chat' board without having to sully themselves.

Now we get people furious that the 'sex and gender' board has lots of discussion of ... sex and gender.

Darn it I forgot prisons- thanks @largebrimmedhat

The left leaning media don't want to cover this. They don't want to admit that letting men into women's spaces impacts women's rights.

That's not true. Sonia Sohda was consistent, vocal and brilliant about it in The Observer and The Morning Star carried a lot about it.