To be annoyed I had to watch GB News to see coverage of anti women protestors at Southwark

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A mother, Miranda Newsom, had her gym membership suspended for a year after reporting an "unmistakably male" trans woman in the female changing room.

Why isn't this on the BBC? The reporter in the video is doing genuinely impressive investigative journalism, didn't we used to have the national broadcaster to do this sort of thing?

This.👍

This story was reported on in some online media, but not on the BBC.

It’s about more than one woman and one gym. It’s about the long held rights of women to have “female only” spaces.

Biological men can only be women in their own heads.

So its transphbic if a woman doesn't want to get changed infront of a male with a 'woman identity'? Women not consenting to this, are bigoted? Why is that exactly?

Are you genuinely saying none of your friends or family would care if a male was exposing his genitals in the ladies change room?

So women and girls who don't want males exposing their genitals to us in the ladies change room are 'transphobic'? Is that what you are truly saying? ? So children and women that see a flasher in public in the street are 'transphobic' now, too? Does not wanting a male to expose himself to you now equal transphobic? Is that where we're at now?

Women's rights are apparently a niche topic and nobody cares.

Sadly, there is a grain of truth to this.

Are you really saying not wanting a male to expose his penis to you in the ladies change room is 'obsessed'? ?

Females need female only change rooms. If we don't have them, then it's unequal.

Single sex spaces are based on sex and bodies, not 'gender'.

Why should a female have to see a penis in the ladies?

Why do you capitalise 'cis'? It's not an acronym. The only other person I have come across on this site who capitalised cis was a male.

Secondly, it's not just about rape, it's about privacy and dignity away from males. Why do you not understand that women and girls don't want to see a man's penis in the ladies change room? And that we don't want a man seeing us naked? Is there some reason you can't understand that?

Lastly, the intent is not important. The fact that a male is there, exposing his penis and testicles, is the issue. Not that he intends or not to rape us. And we self-ID, a male doesn't even have to put on a dress!

These people committing these crimes do so while trans. They don't claim to be trans after. Some may, but the vast majority do so while in 'womens' clothing and presenting as trans.

Before, the social construct kept the type of male who would commit these crimes out of our spaces since they'd get arrested and/or beaten up. Now, they have carte blanche because now we are not even allowed to call the police, so now they are emboldened and don't even need to dress as a woman. That is the result of the ideology you follow which says women cannot complain and must accept fully intact males in our spaces or else we are 'bigoted'. That is what your ideology has done. Make it so much easier now for bad faith actors because they can just claim...... trans while even dressing as a male.

You're forgetting that as females, trans men are not a threat to us. Hence, why we don't care about trans men. HENCE, why that should give you the hint that this is about males. Not 'trans'.

How is it a "minority niche interest" to not want a male to expose his penis to women and girls in the ladies change room?

I thought most people are against flashers? What happened? Are we accepting flashers outside of school now, too?

Can those like @Verytall @HoskinsChoice and @lljkk please explain to me how it is 'bigoted' to not want a male to expose his penis to you in the ladies change room? Please? None of you ever do explain it, so please explain it to me please. Don't you think it's bigoted to say that women and girls must have a stranger male expose his penis to us and we have no right to complain? Please explain your thought process that being against male flashers is now 'bigoted'. Please?

Agreed
I have right and left leaning friends.its obvious when you sit in the middle surrounded by the different views

Btw OP. I agree the issue is important
But just not enough to be a top story
Especially if its a month old
Did it make the local bbc news out of interest?

I saw a hustings for the Gorton and Denton seat. A member of public asked about the Supreme Court decision on what a women is and do they support that and believe it’s now a closed issue.

they were asked to raise hands is they agree.

reform raised by 3 women for Labour, greens and liberals kept hands dems kept hands firmly in lap.

also EU just voted to include trans in any women’s legislation in the future.

the fight isn’t over.

Front page bbc today includes

£10 tricks to make a rental feel homely
A school is ditching blazers and ties
Cabinet frontrunner spoken to about management style
Article about America's Top Model
How ciabatta was created to rival the baguette

I'd say women's rights are more important than all of these.

By nature, people who are trans are wanting to be seen as the gender they identify with. Therefore will do whatever they can to be as discreet as possible. They won't be the people walking around the changing rooms with their bits out, and if they were, I'd say something to management. Do you go to public gyms? I do, I've never knowingly changed alongside someone who was trans, but thinking about all the women I've changed next to I don't usually get a eyeful of someone's vulva. Most people dress quickly, don't necessarily remove their underwear when changing, or wrap a towel round themselves. If you are regularly getting an eyeful of genitals in public changing rooms, I'd suggest that maybe you are getting a bit too close, or you're staring at strangers.

I’d rather eat my own head than click a GBnews link.

And if you think farage and his ilk at that station care about women’s rights you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

If you think reform care about women's rights then you are truly, truly blinkered.

Not especially, no. But it has GB ‘news’ written all over it! Even better if they had been Muslim! Patrick Christy’s would’ve needed tied down!

The worst thing about the BBC’s reluctance to cover issues which are seen as contentious is that they are making outlets like GB News occasionally seem sensible, which is an egregious crime.

The BBC has an understandable reluctance to platform too many stories that might make any minority appear in a bad light. I don’t agree with it, but I can imagine it comes from a place of goodwill. The problem is, by not covering stories that deal with contentious issues (and covering them neutrally when doing so), you leave the door open to outlets with a strong political agenda and a reason to weaponise these stories into rage bait.

This I think is the core of the OP’s post. It’s completely feasible that if you live in the borough this happened in, or have even loosely followed this topic (whether in support, against or neutral), or have personal reasons why you might worry about being in a similar situation, you’re going to be interested in the story. It’s not a low interest story compared with some of the truly trivial news articles that make the BBC front page regularly.

It needn’t be front page news on the BBC, but right wing outlets shouldn’t be the only people who cover this topic. The foundational function of the BBC is to provide unbiased news for everyone, covering all topics which may be of interest. It’s disingenuous to suggest that this topic isn’t an interest for the general public, and worse - if you actually support trans rights to single sex spaces, you are doing enormous damage by ensuring that the only coverage of the issue is by news outlets with an extremely strong bias. You may be able to hand wave them away, but many people who might be on the fence about this issue are receiving their only information about this topic from places like GB News through the form of social media suggestions that they haven’t even searched for. Unbiased BBC News reporting benefits us all and should be encouraged by everyone, regardless of political position.

I didn’t say that at all. As well you know. But I’m seriously starting to think that some MN’s issue with the constant attention to this particular part of women’s rights is bordering on weird. Did you post about the news last week that the gender pay gap wouldn’t close completely for 30 years? Or Farage’s proposals that women should be financially penalised for not having babies soon enough for his liking? No? That’s just two issues that I can think off the top of my head from the last few days.

Not a very strong argument is it?

"I'm so convinced I am right that I won't look at the evidence you have given, also those people smell of poo"

I am sure you wandered around post Brexit saying "I don't know anyone who voted for the other side I can't believe it"