Reform wants women barefoot and pregnant

[Sweetiedarling7]

Reform candidate Matt Goodwin wants women to have children early in life and introduce extra taxes as punishment for anyone who chooses not to have children.

Misogyny in plain sight.

How long till they ban abortion too?

Women voting Reform may want to consider if they are turkeys voting for christmas.

Oh, I don't think so.

What they actually want is for the young women to marry the middleaged men because the financial consequences of choosing somebody the same age or not doing so are so punitive that they become more tolerable as a choice.

Men like them in their 40s and 50s with 19-24 year old wives. Because the alternative for the women is extreme financial hardship/destitution and outright punishment for failing to meet the social obligation these men wish to impose upon them.

It's a bunch of middleaged and elderly men seeking a way to force access to young women's bodies.

(Vomit bags are available at the back of the auditorium, along with some rubble sacks for whoever has the mental image of Farage and his mates looking at a bunch of late teens thinking 'how can we make them see that we are the men they should be birthing children for?')

They're just ageing incels.

I do genuinely find Reform’s ideological stance confusing and contradictory. With Thatcherism I understand the general direction of travel and what it was based on. Reform is either confusing through incompetence and lack of intellectual rigour or they are trying to suppress the true agenda and either is concerning in power.

This involves the taxpayer supporting these people with their two years off though. Supposing they have 4 children. Should they have 8 years off in prime earning years? All supported by the taxpayer? Is the taxpayer not burdened enough with the ever rising cost of welfare?

You think reform won’t cook the books so they remain in power for that long?

Won't this also lead to an increase in non-white people though, too? Imagine their horror as they realise 😂

She’s not saying it’s ideal to have a child at 16 and none of us know her circumstances, so there’s no opinion for you to have.

Her point was she doesn’t think 24 is young to have a baby and how standards have shifted.

Our tax also goes to schools, nursery spaces, free school meals, sixth form college. Childless people already contribute to the children of our future. Why should folk pay more? It's a lifestyle choice.

The birth rate isn’t too low
we are overpopulated

we can’t house everyone even if we stopped all immigration tomorrow and”returned” any recent immigrants - can only be recent as I am sure farage won’t won’t go back to france

we can’t feed ourselves and the problems this cause in terms of food shortages and rising prices ( chocolate was your canary in the pit ) as climate change bites are immense

our population is likely to decline and a slow and controlled fashion based on current predictions

let’s not make a mountain out of a pimple to cover up mysogeny and racism

I have never yet met a right wing person who sees women as equal in intelligence to men

We don't need more and more people on the planet. It's kicking the can down the road. Yeah, need more now to look after us later, but what about the next generation, and the generation after that? Unsustainable.

@speakingofart indeed. I have worked full time since the age of 21, part time since 16. I have been a higher rate tax payer for 15 years. I've paid, and continue to pay, a good amount of tax. Some of which goes to fund services and benefits for children and parents (I am more than happy that it does). We child free women already contribute a lot to the next generation.

If pregnancy is the goal, I hear she has produced a number of educational films that demonstrate various techniques one might employ...

Policy to have children younger! I had my two kids at 35 and 39 and it was right for me and my family. I was financially secure, in a loving relationship and emotionally ready. You can't implement a policy that tells woman when they are ready! Only we ourselves can decide that. The alternative is actually rather frightening. Being forced almost. I agree with more time off when you have kids though. That part of paid leave would never happen. Maternity leave pay is rubbish as it is. I'm a teacher and after 3 months I was down to half pay and after 6 months statutory.

I almost posted something similar. They want men to be able to build careers and wealth in their 20s and 30s (helped by having fewer women in the workforce) then marry women 20 years their junior who will provide them with children. And bonus, be young enough to care for them in their later years.

Read the Guardian article that I pointed to above, hopefully with a more analytical and rational mind than some of it's other readers!

I never thought I would see a group of women froth at the mouth at the proposal that women should be given more help with childcare costs!!

Tax breaks or no, many women are choosing not to have children, regardless of wealth.
Fertility rates in men and women is falling too.

There are plenty of sources for Matt Goodwins views, not just the Guardian.

Goodwins & Reforms views echo that of Nazi Germany, who invested v heavily into getting Aryan women to have "pure" children.

You can bet your last euro, that Reform wont be offering tax breaks to migrant families, legally here.

The problem is that that pension system is one big ponzi scheme, but the population couldn't keep rising indefinitely (hence previous concerns about overpopulation).
Far east countries are already trying financial incentives to increase the birth rate but it's not working.

I do worry what measures more controlling countries like China will bring in, as it will definitely not be good for women.

At the moment, to get married, get a job, buy a house and have two children is just one long struggle and very tiring. Housing costs, needing 2 incomes and job uncertainty doesn't help. Coercing women into to having more children won't work. They need to tackle the more fundamental problems.

I think most Christians think it is their duty to convert other people to their faith, yet we don't seem to be a nation of church goers.

Exactly this. Ageing incels is right.

Have you looked at any proper, mainstream news site whatsoever in the last week?

Its, not it's .

Dude, it's an obligation for Christians to do the same. It's called proselytisation or evangelism (if you're trying to make it sound like there is less compulsion about the hard sell tactics).

Reform's new recruit Danny Kruger does not believe that women have an "absolute right to bodily autonomy" in the case of abortion and as a Tory has consistently voted against expanding abortion access

Well Im not surprised by anything Reform do or say TBH. How are all these young women supposed to get pregnant .with Uni and early careers,BF who dont want to settle down and so on.Are they advocating for more single Mums then ? I doubt it. They just want to turn the clock back, to some imaginary 1950s world where men called all the shots and women were second class citizens .I am worried about the NHS too .I have already had 6 rounds of Chemo, and possibly face another 6.I read that the private cost is 5k per round!

Ofcourse Matt was 39 when his child was born