Reform wants women barefoot and pregnant

[Sweetiedarling7]

Reform candidate Matt Goodwin wants women to have children early in life and introduce extra taxes as punishment for anyone who chooses not to have children.

Misogyny in plain sight.

How long till they ban abortion too?

Women voting Reform may want to consider if they are turkeys voting for christmas.

I had my children in my mid 20s as did my children despite having professional careers. My DH & I are now fairly young grandparents. I believe circumstances permitting this is by far the best age group to start a family.

And not to mention the fact it's none of anyone's business whether women have kids and what their reasons for doing so or not doing so are!

You may feel like that now but you obviously didn't when you were in your 20s and I bet you'd have resented like hell having to pay more tax at the time to stay child less.

This isn't about what age is best to have children (it differs for everyone btw), this is about whether it's ok to force and abuse women by trying to make us have children we don't want by financially penalising us.

I disagree. I see far too many people having kids young, in their 20s, when you're just a kid yourself. A lot of people don't have the life experience and knowledge to raise kids well at this age. Not implying that's you - and of course everyone matures at different rates. But, speaking of men in particular, I know very few in their 20s capable and mature enough of raising a family properly. Mid 30s is a better age and generally offers people more stability in terms of career, knowing what they want in life, etc. I've seen too many friends settle down and have babies in their 20s only to find themselves single mums in their 30s.

A lot of women wouldn’t need ‘pushing’ into having children in their 20’s if there were policies to help young people get housing they can afford and it didn’t need two incomes to survive. People who can settle are more likely to feel safe and ready for a family. Someone in their late 20’s who can’t afford to move out into their own home will hardly feel ready to have a family of their own.

Yep. The man’s a creep and I hope he gets his arse handed to him in Gorton.
I note he’s now separated from his wife. I wonder why…

I looked at Matt goodwin's ex wife on LinkedIn and she graduated from university 6 years before me and had her only child in 2021. That made her a first time mum at 35. Matt himself was just a month shy of his 40th birthday when his only child was born. They are now divorced. A fine representation of modern life and all its complexities.

Stop trying to be trad dad cos you are embarrassing yourself. Signed, woman who married her 24 year old boyfriend at 22 and had her first (and only) child 1 day shy of their 10th year wedding anniversary. Honestly I didnt use contraception for 10 years but still wound up with a child in my 30s. There are plenty of women who can have 2 kids even if they marry in their 30s. I think the thing is most people dont want more than 2 so they time their pregnancies later.

This research was done in 2013, it did not include Muslims in Western Nations. When you look at the differences in values between US Muslims (conducted in 2012) and these results from 2013, their opinions are wildly different so it’s not hard to assume they would have a different outlook on this too.

Over 20 years later the number of people converting is incredibly small (6000 annually in the U.K.) The vast majority of these, by far, are white women in their mid 20s, so we can assume this is because they are marrying. Even if 50% of U.K. Muslims believe they are supposed to convert others, they clearly aren’t very good at it.

46% of Christian charities say their aim is to convert others, so there is plenty of opposing messaging if you think people are just waiting around to be convinced which religion to join.

For anyone who is unclear about whst has been stated and what they think about women. The statements telling women about when they should have children are bad enough. However, there is more.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-matt-goodwin-gorton-denton-children-women-b2918340.html

Best for you, perhaps. It wouldn't have been best for me.

And that's why women should be supported to make their own choices.

I had my first at 27, second at 29. We were so skint. I had a degree but ended up doing admin jobs, shop work, cleaning etc. Our relationship didn't survive. My kids are now split between a stressed single mum, trying to do housework, full time work and be a present oarent and a dad who can’t afford to move out of his parents due to paying me so much maintenance. It’s hardly the dream environment for child rearing.

No one is pressured. Its just the life we can give them with 2 incomes is better than 1. Poorer women have always worked, its just that in the past they worked at home while looking after children and older children were parentified, standards were a lot looser. Now we deem it neglect. Also due to changes in the modern economy and rising expectations, 2 incomes are needed. The period between the 1950s to 1980s where women didnt need to earn a living to balance the books and still live in a nice home was a blip. In the 1930s many families live in cramped employer built housing where children slept in the loft!

I keep thinking who in their right mind would vote for a party that wants to dictate when (not even if) women reproduce.
then I come on here and see them.
The way the tax system works is that tax payers support pensions, schools, healthcare etc etc. that’s the deal whether you have kids or not. Those of us who were born in the 70’s and 80’s and then tried to start work in the middle of a recession in the 90’s were also still paying for the Second World War. So tax isn’t something that’s just been invented to piss off gen z. Oh and btw we couldn’t afford housing either.

God this isn't about anything other than the sexual control of women by men. Whatever language they couch it in, whatever excuses they come up with. It's about them wanting women at home, doing the housework, available for sex as and when required.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if making babies didn't involve men having an orgasm, nobody in Reform would give a shit about this topic.

If it’s so important to have children young why did he have his only child when 40? And it’s interesting that him and his wife are no longer together - the risk of ending up a loan parent is something women need to factor in.

Only if you're a woman. Childless/child free men escape the tax

I would encourage everyone to read the independent link i posted to see what they think about women's involvement in higher education. The mysogny runs deep. They are not just another political party.

Reform have based their Project 2029 on the US and MAGA movement Heritage Foundation Project 2025.

@Primrose86 of course people feel pressured or don't think about it at all because now we have followed the American route that it's the done thing.

We've all seen what's happened at nurseries recently they are not the be all and end all.

A balance is needed and careful consideration of child care choices.

The gov howevr clearly wants us to hand our DC over to mostly under paid over stressed youngsters and get to work

Well I've yet to have Muslims knock on my door with a copy of the Quran in their hand.....Christians though, well we get them at least once every couple of months waving their bible about.

Yes thats exactly right. Government sponsored and sanctioned homophobia and laws against disabled people. Thats whats topped the polls and that's what they all want!!!

But realistically, I dont think Reform want women "barefoot and pregnant". And its obviously good to support women properly when their children are babies and very young as thats always been a hard choice women have to make. Work or staying at home with young children to raise them. And there is a demographic problem with the reducing birth rate.

The thing I don't understand is penalising those that don't have children. That seems bizarre. So id be interested in more details about that.

Do you not see the hypocrisy in being able to tear your own people to shreds but when another culture that shares the same space as yours does this, you turn a blind eye?

People with far more conservative values are doing this every day and now have such political influence despite being a tiny minority. If they didn’t do this, the right wouldn’t even be a thing right now.

If you’re going to complain about The Handmaid’s Tale style of control, you need to also include the biggest and most egregious proponents of this who are hiding in plain sight waiting to make their move when the time is right.

Japan actually has the highest birth rate in east asia now at 1.15. Uk is 1.4. South Korea is 0.7.

In Japan, south Korea, Singapore and HK and Taiwan and even China, the low birth rate is actually partly due to traditionalism. Hardly anyone has babies out of wedlock. The abortion rate is also much lower too. They just have far less sex. Also families are much more likely to have 1 or 2 due to the value placed on education, average south Korean family spends 25% of income on education for 1 child. Even for high income chinese families its 10% and for the low income chinese families ,its as much as 70% in places like shanghai. You can't afford more than 1 if you invest in kids like that. The cost is also intimidating to would be parents.

He really seems to be interested in teenage girls being told they owe their bodies, doesn't he? And seems to be really, really objecting to older women protecting teenage girls in universities.

He took 'voluntary severance' from his job in a university. I'm sure that can't possibly be a euphemism for 'settlement agreement', what with it being such a commonly used term in comparison to 'was made redundant'.

Exactly. Lots of religions are proselytising. It doesn't mean they are a 'threat'.