Reform wants women barefoot and pregnant

[Sweetiedarling7]

Reform candidate Matt Goodwin wants women to have children early in life and introduce extra taxes as punishment for anyone who chooses not to have children.

Misogyny in plain sight.

How long till they ban abortion too?

Women voting Reform may want to consider if they are turkeys voting for christmas.

Oh my country definitely is one of them, yes. But at least I won’t be the forrin to blame (despite never claiming a single benefit in 13 years)

They should start with the men who have children but shirk their responsibilities.

I didn't think there would be a reliable source tbh 🙄 the thought of the what the op is scary- but it's another case of scaremongering and twisting things so it seems. People who spout off shit like this are dangerous!

If you read the whole thread you can find plenty of links.

Are you using Hungary as an example to follow?

I'll be interested to see whether Godwin means this to be a lifelong penalty for those of us who are childless.

I wonder whether this means that I can lawyer up against the now adult male who has cheerfully admitted to others in the community that he deliberately punched me in the stomach whilst he was a teenage pupil at the school where I worked? He didn't even know me, but thought it funny to punch a teacher. I'd never even spoken to him. (As mentioned in other threads, the the local police claimed to have 'lost the statements', in spite of the fact that the case was passed to SACRO which aims to prevent young people form offending in the future.)

I wasn't visibly pregnant, but miscarried the day after I was punched. The thug and his boyfriend are now living their best life, so far as I know. Unless they choose to buy the services of a woman, then it's unlikely that they'll ever be parents. Handmaid's Tale indeed.

That's another point - are people who adopt going to be penalised for not giving birth?

DH and I are in the sort of jobs that, 30 or 40 years ago, as a married couple would have allowed us a detached house and probably private education for our 2 kids. Instead now, we live in a slightly dilapidated 3 bed semi, trying to get the money together each month to pay for childcare, COL and for the various professional exams we couldn’t get done before having kids, as we decided to have them relatively young (30 and 32). Meanwhile, friends who decided to try and get through all the ‘huge costs’ of their 20s and 30s first (university, buying a house, professional exams etc) are now rounding on 35+ and staring down the barrel of the gun of reducing fertility. It is literally impossible for couples under the age of 40 at the moment to seemingly do the right thing.

You could try starting at The Bible?

What a load of shit OP - I'd go so far as to say, a lie.

You could just as soon reframe this as "MG wants to adjust the tax system to give a break to young families."

There are lots of couples that would dearly love to start their families younger, and can't, and would welcome tax breaks to make that more possible. And that is long term a benefit to the country. And yes - it is actually a good thing when governments bring in policies meant to address long term issues, why some idiots think that is a bad thing is fucking bizarre.

And to say this is "forcing" people to have kids? That is no different than saying something like a tax break for students is "forcing" people to go back to school. Grow the fuck up - tax schemes by governments are always meant to make it easier for people to do things that are beneficial to society at large.

Will this work? I think housing is the big issue here, and will have to be addressed. That's going to be the really difficult thing for government to address and I don't see any party offering a solution. But tax breaks for families are a really good step too.

This business about the brain is a pernicious myth.

Many people are just choosing not to have children, not necessarily because of financial reasons. Sometimes it is because they don’t like the way the country/world is at the moment and don’t want to bring a child into it. Not sure a Reform government would make them see the world in a more positive light, no matter how many tax breaks they are offered!

@TempestTost more recent research states it is even later than mid 20s

I suspect a lot of them are not really looking for a discussion, they are the usual before-election ploppers getting an early start.

How you get from tax breaks for young families to extra taxes for the childless and wanting women barefoot and pregnant - you have to be dishonest.

What is really nuts is how many people accepted that spin without giving it a thought.

@Yewoo
We've got plenty of working age people. We just need to solve the "working" bit....

Let's hope they ban abortions

Matt Goodwin used to be a pretty good academic and could run an argument based on evidence and research. What a pity he's lost that ability.

If any government wants women to have children earlier in life, then they need to REORGANISE all of public life - education and employment - around the life cycle of the FEMALE body. So that it is the norm for women to take time from careers and education for children, and that this is not an issue.

Reform needs to commit to wholesale actual reform, and demonstrate how they will dismantle what is basically a masculine, male-bodied life pattern of
education ->starter job-> climb career ladder -> manager-> retirement, with absolutely no thought about who is doing the reproduction of the species and all the work related to that.

Or that women (like me of an older generation) don't have to pretend that we are just "female men" in terns of our bodies, and our life-cycle.

And a little suggestion, Dr Goodwin - maybe, just maybe, you might address the generations of Peter Pan men (and current deadbeat dads) who avoid commitment throughout their twenties, leaving their female peers in the lurch, then turning around in their mid-30s and picking a mate who's 10 years younger ...

Why?

Your brain develops throughout your whole life, and it's driven in large part by experience.

It never "finishes." Some types of higher order thinking don't begin to emerge until well into middle age.

If you treat people like children until they are 25 they will not start to behave like adults.

You’re totally missing the point. When you had your children it was the best time for YOU. Other women have different opinions. You aren’t wrong. Other women aren’t wrong. What is wrong is being told when and if women should have children and penalising women if they don’t comply.

Reform would never, ever increase maternity or paternity leave. Their negative opinion on people working from home already tells us that. They want everyone, especially women and the disabled in the office 5-days a week. How does that fit around supporting families?

No one should be penalised for having children but I’m a woman of 45 with a large circle of women who chose to have kids later and I would say out of 12 mates 3 have had successful ivf and 4 failed and the others just haven’t conceived. I don’t agree with Matt Godwin but the narrative that women should do concentrate on career first is also as nefarious. The government should tackle the housing crisis and cost of living so you are able to have children if you want them and not wait

I don’t really see that, I see that people are outraged by the notion of taxing childless people women more. Which tbf may or may not have been what was actually said.

The childless men will be deemed to be involuntarily childless and given permission to forcibly impregnate the disobedient women who don't wish to have children.

I think they are assuming that once all the immigrants have been removed, this will create a society where the man can earn £££ whilst the woman becomes a brood mare.

The planet can't sustain the worlds population which is ever increasing. Yet Western nations are looking for ways to increase the birth rate to pay for an aging population. Yet apparently we can't afford immigration. It makes no sense to me at all! Surely if we need more workers we can just redistribute the world population to where it is needed.

Threatening to punish childless women with extra taxes is just - unhinged. And of course childless men won't be punished, will they!

I do think it's a good idea to have children earlier but there must be decent men around to father them and stick around whilst they grow up! Those men seem to be in very short supply. That's a major problem with this idea.

Equally, are those who give up their child for adoption still eligible for the tax break?