To think male nursery workers should be banned for safety reasons?

[Carla786]

I KNOW most men who work in them are fine but sexual abuse in nurseries is overwhelmingly committed by men. No more men, much less abuse risk.
Yes we need more CCTV etc to watch bad women but it cuts SA risk immeasurably.

We can still have male primary teachers etc kids are old enough to speak up then.

And yes, you can ban on the basis of sex for safety reasons. In women's refuges, eg.

You literally queried whether men are more likely to be paedophiles, which means that you think women might actually be more likely to be paedophiles. No one but no one thinks that is true. It is laughable.

And no one thinks that women pose even approaching an equivalent level of risk to a child, even though of course there are women who do evil things.

Your solution was not to use childcare (fwiw I didn’t use a nursery either) but for the millions who need to, this is a good way of reducing risk (not eliminating it).

Wouldn't this open the door for banning women from doing jobs if someone decided they weren't suitable? It's discrimination, and I would imagine it's illegal. Better safeguarding is what's needed.

No but it is the one we are talking about. Men are more likely to commit all forms of abuse against children than women in any event.

Dogs are probably as much of a threat as pedophiles. 1,600 children hospitalised annually due to dog bites.

Maybe we should ban families with children from having dogs.

Got any proof of that?

In my experience 'need' is usually 'want'. And no, that wasn't what I was saying at all. I don't consider leaving my child with a stranger safe, no matter who it is. So I didn't do it.

No, but it's an easy one to reduce the risk of by removing male carers. We should also stamp out all forms of abuse. If someone shows me that women are proportional more likely to neglect children in nurseries then we'll have to start weighing that up - but i've not seen any evidence to suggest that at all.

Dying without a seatbelt on is not the only way to die in a car crash, doesn't mean we all remove our seat belts though.

Nobody is saying that all men are drawn to working with young children because they are perverts.

A few posters have said exactly that.

Please provide evidence of that. I think emotional and mental abuse are more likely by women, purely anecdotally though.

We have banned the most dangerous breeds. Happy to add more dogs to the list.

Im sure you’re well capable of using Google yourself.

If you not only didn’t use any childcare for your children because it is so dangerous, and seem to think that childcare is not even a necessity at all but rather some sort of luxury, why do you care who should and shouldn’t work in it?

No - some posters have said that perverts are more likely to want to work with kids. For obvious reasons.

that is not the same as saying everyone who wants to work with kids is a pervert. The problem is that it’s impossible to tell who is and isn’t a pervert because the perverts don’t go around advertising the fact.

Ah so in the case of dogs, you are in favour of extra safeguards to protect children, but not in the case of humans.

interesting

Sorry must have missed them - they'll be very much in the minority. I'd be surprised if men in these roles don't realise a very small group of people have this view. Is it something you've discussed with your husband?

So you couldn’t find any statistics either.

No, because it's not relevant to him choosing to teach.

What no - I've said I'm in favour of banning men from nursery roles.I think it's sad that we have to because many male childcare workers are fantastic but with recent cases I've come to think the risk is too high,
Hence why my point was we have in fact banned some dogs.

So you don't actually have stats and have fallen on the old 'do your own research' line? I've done plenty of research and trained people in this field. I am well informed about childcare centres and social issues. I also have sons (more daughters than sons). I care about both sexes equally when it comes to discrimination and the damage it can do when boys learn, from young, that their sex is a negative thing. There is a much better answer that covers all bases - make the environment safer so that abuse almost definitely can't take place. Men and women can pose a risk. Make it harder for all of them.

Exactly.
you want to ban all men from nurseries not just the dangerous ones, but when it comes to dogs putting children in hospital you’re ok with safeguards where only the most dangerous dogs are banned.

Do you only talk about what is relevant to his career decision though? My DH and I talk about all sorts, like how some woman feel when a man walks behind them in the dark, how he was treated and felt at times as a SAHD, and general differences we experience in life as different sexes.

We talk about all sorts, thanks.

People are so afraid of seeming prejudiced that they will sacrifice children. Wow, just wow.

No.

Some people just believe that banning men means very little if safeguarding policies stay the same and that children would still very much be at risk of abuse in nurseries because SA isn't the only type of abuse that can happen in nurseries.

No I don't agree with the equivalence you are trying to make- with the dogs happy to separate by breed knowing that some if not many of that breed are perfectly safe - but that the breed overall is more risky. So here men are the same as the dangerous breed. Woman are the other breeds - still a risk but much less.

You're missing the point.

The point is not that ALL or MOST men are a danger.

The point is that for various reasons MOST men do not want to work in nurseries

SOME good ones do, but a minority.

And men who are motivated by paedophilia are disproprtionately likely to work in nurseries. The WHOLE point is they are NOT representative of MOST men.

Why should the solution be to restrict women rather than to drastically lower the risk of SA by excluding men at risk of hurting their feelings

I bet a lot of men would agree with the man who wrote that Spectator article. Others who would be great at working with kidd might understand the safety reasons.

I wish more good men DID want to do nursery work, but I don't think enough do.