To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

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I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

Most people don't like transwomen criminals being referred to by police and press as women. It's not just ridiculous, it's a lie, and leads to mistrust. When the news came out about a massacre carried out by 'a female in a dress', most people will have instantly questioned it. This only harms trans people because it actually draws attention to them in a jarring way, through the original lie being discussed and debunked, and people objecting to it.

So what is it that you want, OP? You want women to just not mention that the shooter was trans? Or did you just want the opportunity to sneer at us/chide us/accuse us?

Exactly, I said immediately that if they she/her and talk about a “woman” having done it, more people are going to become aware that the shooter was a trans identified male than would have done otherwise. Because it’s rare for women to do this, and it makes bigger headlines. People talk about it more, including speculating and revealing that it wasn’t actually a woman who did it.

Goodness that’s a tough one.

"Hate" doesn't mean much when "hate' is defined as asking why respected, serious news outlets are describing a male mass murderer as female. Accusations of hijacking a tragedy don't mean anything at all when they're coming from someone whose only concern with the tragedy is that the mass murderer's lie of an "identity", is slavishly upheld. No matter how much self righteousness and performative moralism goes with it. These people aren't the goodies. Do me a lemon.

I will give you this, though: it's certainly true that most people who claim a trans identity are not violent. Most of them are confused, unhappy, depressed and vulnerable young people (often autistic too). And the overwhelming majority of them, if given a safe space and talking therapy - as opposed to puberty blockers that also arrest areas of brain development and a stream of pressure to "transition" or else they'll surely kill themselves - eventually grow out of it and turn out just to be gay.

I would really like to know who benefits in society from misinformation being spread and accepted as fact and as being accurate?

Maybe some of those people judging and demonising others will tell us. If misinformation is allowed to spread unchallenged and continues to propagate and become embedded, how does this benefit the victims and their families?

Don't forget the people campaigning like mad to produce a generation of people who are legally 16 or 18, but physically 12 (and remember that puberty blockers arrest parts of brain development too; such people wouldn't even be fully mentally 16 or 18).

Who benefits from that?

The studies showing the effects on the brain are deeply concerning, I agree.

And when many of them are ND and so up to 3 years behind their peers in emotional maturity.

Not to derail, but it might be interesting to see if reported hate crimes and NCHIs drop in number now that one of the very prolific reporters has been arrested.

https://x.com/wingsscotland/status/2022650961827856483?s=46

Here are some examples of what the statistics for hate crimes against transgender people cover.

Jennifer Swayne, arrested on her mobility scooter for putting up a poster.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61111160.amp

Here is a woman in Hebden Bridge questioned for a ‘hate incident’ because she took a photo of a sticker saying “keep males out of women-only spaces”,

https://archive.is/YYdWM

Another woman arrested for Tweets and ribboning

www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/activist-marion-millar-charged-with-sending-homophobic-and-transphobic-tweets-5293jhg6v?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqeEMCNAhV1mOxxUXLSjCFkGQ2b5lugivROoPbLX25eGUXBlk9H866iz&gaa_ts=6990b2ea&gaa_sig=FOHWKc4FP8FqRQwBIneZMZKYgsMiSNhV6ANGYF986Js2_Uaj0-O48PXg-E9iXVtyKzOJihHpb8MeAkNCHS0a9w%3D%3D

And another woman

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-hate-crime-probe-after-22563314.amp

Misgendering tweets

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-47638527.amp

A women’s rights activist questioned after a report to police about her video that was ‘untoward about pedophiles’

https://reduxx.info/uk-womens-rights-campaigner-visited-by-police-for-being-untoward-about-pedophiles/

Then there was a female prison who spent extra time in prison due to complaints that she ‘misgendered’ a male prisoner.

https://archive.is/a82Ke

There are others, some went to court as well.

I mean if we just followed the list of people Lynsey Watson reported or was involved in reporting and the number of people Hayden reported it is also long.

When people post about the increase in hate crimes against transgender people, it is really important to understand what that report entails.

I think what ended up slowing down the reports was this though.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68712471.amp

The people who reported JK Rowling for hate crime.

And here are the 2024 stats for hate crime - mea culpa, second to race is sexual orientation, not disability.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2024/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2024

There you go, the truth.

This tra OP couldn't care less about women.

The mask always slips.

“although the transphobic lot are a minority (look at the number of votes on any trans relating post”

I find this claim fascinating.

Either this claim is completely detached from the reality that is probably almost every poll on issues relating to single sex provisions posted on AIBU and this very thread or there is ambiguity here about what is and isn’t transphobic.

I have never seen a poll on MN, and no recent independently conducted neutrally worded opinion poll either, that has supported male people being treated as if they were female for access to single sex provisions, that has not supported female only single sex provisions. Or recently language around issues impacting female people.

Maybe the poster is referring to something other than those polls on MN?

The OP just wanted to use the phrase “whip up hate” about 20 times.

It just makes me think I should fill the baking tins this weekend.

Good point!! He seemed to make harassing people using the police his life’s work after getting the sack from the police.

I started one of the threads that you are speaking about.

In my option nothing I said was anti-trans can you explain to me how I am wrong… i.e is asking for the national press to report accurate information anti-trans.?

To be fair, I’m exaggerating. 6/26 posts by the OP use the phrase “whip up hate”, but it was used in 3 consecutive posts, with a “frothing” added for variety. We’ve had several “anti-trans” and a few “bullies”.

just waiting now for “far-right”.

Others have mentioned far right on this thread. Apparently, we should only read /watch the media that is fully aligned with our political leanings.

The tribalism of such statements never seems to occur to those who make such statements. Nor the fact that it is a recipe for ignorance.

Imagine never reading media outside your political leanings and thinking it is a good thing.

Tribalism characterised by the use of slogans, not arguments.

What is remarkable nolongersurprised, is that I have seen at least two different user names (I suspect three, including the OP) posting effectively one of the OP’s same worded complaints over three different threads.

But then, I find it remarkable also that a poster would start a thread specifically to target a group of other posters that the poster doesn’t agree with to bully, name call and demonise and to invite others to join in that bullying, name calling and demonisation. While feeling virtuous doing so.

As @Helleofabore says this thread was specifically set up to bully and sneer at other MN posters, so it’s a complete DARVO. As ever.

Quiet day on Reddit?

Yep.

We have seen the outcome though on this very thread too. Where the OP has shown the tendency to reject any point made by organisations or people they aren’t politically aligned with while completely unquestioning soundbites repeated by media that they do politically align with. The result is they are left unable to defend those soundbites. Because they never thought further than the face value statements the soundbites make.

That is the thing about tribalism. Outsourcing your critical analysis to only sources matching your political leanings about a political issue doesn’t give you any real depth of knowledge. But I guess it might make you feel righteous enough to start such a thread as this one.

Maybe it never occurred to them Eresh?