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cardibach · 12/02/2026 22:40

likelysuspect · 12/02/2026 22:33

I dont know about those, because as Ive said, I dont automatically think its a lie the way you do. I dont agree with you. That doesnt make you right or the authority on the subject

What hypocrisy?

Ok, let’s give him: the benefit of the doubt. He hasn’t apologised for the incorrect figures. Why?
Hypocrisy in accepting a massive handout from the tax payer for his business while criticising those on benefits.
Hypocrisy in criticising immigrants when he is one - in a place with over 70% immigrant population.
Hypocrisy in complaining abput the state of the U.K. but avoiding paying any tax to help sort it out.

cardibach · 12/02/2026 22:41

EasternStandard · 12/02/2026 22:36

I gave an example of a Hansard correction below. It was arguably more important than some commentator for that person to get it right hence the system of correcting it. People get stats wrong.

But they corrected it. Ratcliffe hasn’t.

Yellowshirt · 12/02/2026 22:46

cardibach · 12/02/2026 21:02

How can the government control the prices of private companies? Blaming Labour for Tory shortcomings. Again.

I'm not blaming Labour for anything. I want them to stop telling lies, stop doing u turns and make decisions to fix the country.
Or just simply call a general election and let the country decide as this just isn't working

cardibach · 12/02/2026 22:50

Yellowshirt · 12/02/2026 22:46

I'm not blaming Labour for anything. I want them to stop telling lies, stop doing u turns and make decisions to fix the country.
Or just simply call a general election and let the country decide as this just isn't working

So you don’t like the government so are happy to be told lies by Ratcliffe?
Not aware of any government lies - enlighten me.

randomchap · 12/02/2026 22:55

Yellowshirt · 12/02/2026 22:46

I'm not blaming Labour for anything. I want them to stop telling lies, stop doing u turns and make decisions to fix the country.
Or just simply call a general election and let the country decide as this just isn't working

What do you expect them to do to "fix the country "

What policies are you wanting?

StarlightLady · 12/02/2026 23:26

balletflatblister · 12/02/2026 22:11

But some guy who arrived by boat 5 minutes ago and has contributed 0 in tax is as British as you or me. For goodness sake be serious. I consider myself left leaning and think immigration can be positive, but it's toe curling arguments like this that are taking us to a place where we may end up with some really extreme policy as over correction

Where did anyone suggest that someone who arrived by boat is as British as you or me. You are mincing words.

sleepwouldbenice · 13/02/2026 00:20

wiffin · 12/02/2026 20:01

Being concerned about immigration and the benefits bill does not make you a racist or ignorant.

Making up numbers that vastly inflate reality is however a sign of a liar. Talking about colonisation and feigning surprise that the word has racist connotations is disingenuous. Implying everyone on benefits is a skiver is ignorant.

Words matter. Mans a weasel. He thinks farage is great.

You vote for brexit? Your choice. But to do it, fuck off, pay no tax and expect your words to matter? Deluded.

This nails it for me
Opinion is fine
Spouting bullshit numbers not fine
His sentiments about colonisation based on bullshit numbers also not fine
It was the words as well as the numbers
Not the concerns

Friendlygingercat · 13/02/2026 01:08

I dont even remember being asked if I wanted to vote for a "multi cultural" society and I know what my vote would have been if asked. Whole areas of this country have been changed out of recognition and not for the good.

PyongyangKipperbang · 13/02/2026 02:08

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 12/02/2026 20:48

He's not an immigrant.
He's a British citizen living abroad.

If we're going to get upset about people spouting things not borne out by facts we should not come back with other falsehoods.

A citizen of country A living in country B is the very definition of an immigrant to the country in which he now resides. He is an immigrant in Monaco.

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RedBullAndYop · 13/02/2026 02:31

I assumed it was the timeline he got wrong, rather than numbers, which is why he’s being attacked for language use mainly. Over the past 25 years his numbers were broadly correct and is a huge change vs historical numbers. 2.7 million legal immigrants since 2020 is insane when we haven’t invested in any additional infrastructure over the same period. Then there are illegal immigrants too who aren’t counted in the official figures.

AnearlyCurfew789 · 13/02/2026 02:35

Friendlygingercat · 13/02/2026 01:08

I dont even remember being asked if I wanted to vote for a "multi cultural" society and I know what my vote would have been if asked. Whole areas of this country have been changed out of recognition and not for the good.

I really think you need to read some history books… going back to the Romans… because you have never not lived in a multi-cultural society…

Lemonadefizzcelebration · 13/02/2026 04:10

AnearlyCurfew789 · 13/02/2026 02:35

I really think you need to read some history books… going back to the Romans… because you have never not lived in a multi-cultural society…

It is not working now and the standard of living has decreased and there are safety concerns. Change is good but only if it is positive.

If life had improved we would be happy but it hasn't and is getting worse. The concern is lack of control over who is arriving.

Here's a suggestion, those who are happy with the current situation swap places with those who are not happy. Good idea for the next reality show?

wiffin · 13/02/2026 07:34

Standard of living in this country has risen decade on decade. The things that has caused restrictions on peoples standards of living in the last decade or so is austerity. For which I blame Brexit, covid, Trump and the tories.

I agree immigration needs looking at. I agree the cases of male predation on young girls is abhorrent.

I just disagree on the root causes of the problem. And am glad I'm not a politician to try find a solution. Because I can see us being more divided, same as America. So much hate and resentment for 'others'.

wiffin · 13/02/2026 07:35

Lemonadefizzcelebration · 13/02/2026 04:10

It is not working now and the standard of living has decreased and there are safety concerns. Change is good but only if it is positive.

If life had improved we would be happy but it hasn't and is getting worse. The concern is lack of control over who is arriving.

Here's a suggestion, those who are happy with the current situation swap places with those who are not happy. Good idea for the next reality show?

In what way would you like to swap places? Am genuinely curious.

Is it where you live? Your job? Your politics? Health issues?

1dayatatime · 13/02/2026 07:49

wiffin · 13/02/2026 07:34

Standard of living in this country has risen decade on decade. The things that has caused restrictions on peoples standards of living in the last decade or so is austerity. For which I blame Brexit, covid, Trump and the tories.

I agree immigration needs looking at. I agree the cases of male predation on young girls is abhorrent.

I just disagree on the root causes of the problem. And am glad I'm not a politician to try find a solution. Because I can see us being more divided, same as America. So much hate and resentment for 'others'.

OK if you believe that increasing the population of England and Wales (98% in the last 5 years though immigration) improves the standard of living then presumably you would be in favour of increasing the population further. If so then how much higher than the current 70 million- a 100 million, 150 million?

EasternStandard · 13/02/2026 08:06

1dayatatime · 13/02/2026 07:49

OK if you believe that increasing the population of England and Wales (98% in the last 5 years though immigration) improves the standard of living then presumably you would be in favour of increasing the population further. If so then how much higher than the current 70 million- a 100 million, 150 million?

Do people who are ok with the increase want this? If not, why not

Lemonadefizzcelebration · 13/02/2026 08:39

wiffin · 13/02/2026 07:35

In what way would you like to swap places? Am genuinely curious.

Is it where you live? Your job? Your politics? Health issues?

As population has increased this has happened:- Lack of services, overcrowding, noise, violence, unsafe.

Shakeoffyourchains · 13/02/2026 09:00

balletflatblister · 12/02/2026 22:26

Still not getting it. You and those like you are the reason we will have a Reform government and will have by then lost the ability to have a fair and reasonable conversation about immigration. You don't listen and you don't learn

It wasn't the left who dismantled a functioning asylum system in favour of something that enriched Tory donors while putting the public at risk.

It wasn't the left who increased net migration to record levels while also refusing to invest in public infrastructure.

It wasn't the left who increased the tax burden on the average person to the point of crisis so they the richest in society could continue to increase their wealth to Victorian levels of inequality.

And it isn't the left that continues to fall for the right wing elite's lies and vote against their own interest at every opportunity.

So remind me again, which side doesn't listen or learn?

Fluffypuppy1 · 13/02/2026 09:39

RedBullAndYop · 13/02/2026 02:31

I assumed it was the timeline he got wrong, rather than numbers, which is why he’s being attacked for language use mainly. Over the past 25 years his numbers were broadly correct and is a huge change vs historical numbers. 2.7 million legal immigrants since 2020 is insane when we haven’t invested in any additional infrastructure over the same period. Then there are illegal immigrants too who aren’t counted in the official figures.

This.

It seems Ratcliffe’s only mistake was saying 2020 instead of 2000. The official figures state the UK population was 58.9 million in September 2020, and 69.7 million in mid 2025.

PandoraSocks · 13/02/2026 10:04

Fluffypuppy1 · 13/02/2026 09:39

This.

It seems Ratcliffe’s only mistake was saying 2020 instead of 2000. The official figures state the UK population was 58.9 million in September 2020, and 69.7 million in mid 2025.

It is a pretty big mistake to be 20 years out with statistics.

DuncinToffee · 13/02/2026 10:08

Fluffypuppy1 · 13/02/2026 09:39

This.

It seems Ratcliffe’s only mistake was saying 2020 instead of 2000. The official figures state the UK population was 58.9 million in September 2020, and 69.7 million in mid 2025.

A mistake he could easily have rectified.

Instead he is using the lie as basis for his racism.

PandoraSocks · 13/02/2026 10:08

1dayatatime · 13/02/2026 07:49

OK if you believe that increasing the population of England and Wales (98% in the last 5 years though immigration) improves the standard of living then presumably you would be in favour of increasing the population further. If so then how much higher than the current 70 million- a 100 million, 150 million?

We do actually need to increase the working-age population, though. Either through existing citizens having more children (Reform is keen on this, but only if they are the right sort of children iykwim) or through immigration.

5MinuteArgument · 13/02/2026 10:09

PandoraSocks · 13/02/2026 10:04

It is a pretty big mistake to be 20 years out with statistics.

Yes, true. But is adding 12 million people to the population since 2000 not a problem? Will that not have an effect on housing, health services, water, sewage, schools, transport, waste collection and the natural environment?

PandoraSocks · 13/02/2026 10:13

5MinuteArgument · 13/02/2026 10:09

Yes, true. But is adding 12 million people to the population since 2000 not a problem? Will that not have an effect on housing, health services, water, sewage, schools, transport, waste collection and the natural environment?

Should people stop having children, then? Or are you saying the increase is purely down to immigration?

Will that not have an effect on housing, health services, water, sewage, schools, transport, waste collection and the natural environment?

There will be a negative affect if the government of the day doesn't invest in essential services and imposes austerity.

Oh, wait.

EasternStandard · 13/02/2026 10:16

PandoraSocks · 13/02/2026 10:08

We do actually need to increase the working-age population, though. Either through existing citizens having more children (Reform is keen on this, but only if they are the right sort of children iykwim) or through immigration.

What does the population growth look like in numbers?

Where is it in a few decades and does it just keep going up?