To think the sex of suspects should always be properly reported for violent or sexual crimes, the mass killer in Canada was male. That's important to know.

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

"Suspect in Canada shooting is identified as an 18-year-old with history of police visits to her home"

Is incorect. Women don't tend to go on mass killing sprees. Or rape many people.

https://apnews.com/article/canada-school-shooting-british-columbia-e577eb5689d1af42f6077a56368d4170

Yes they absolutely, 1,000% did.

Its quite usual that when no details are released either the reports dont contain any descriptor at all, fine (similar to the recent University attack in this country, no details were released at all)

Or the release specifies that the perpetrators identity or whereabouts is not yet known

What is not usual and not ok is for the perpetrator's identity to be known by way of their sex, age, ethnicity perhaps AND THAT THE OPPOSITE INFORMATION BE GIVEN

This isnt about not releasing information, its about misrepresenting the information.

Lets see white perpetrators of crime be categorised as black. Why not?

Yeah, if they have to call him 'she' (something to do with Canadian law?!) at least prefix that by saying 'trans woman/girl' and explaining they were born male before you start referring to them as a female.

Headline should say 'transwoman shoots up school' not 'woman'.

Because it’s important that the data is accurate.
It influences resources, education and public policy.

Then I can only suggest you put your complaint in writing to the Canadian authorities.

I'm sure they'd love to hear it.

Regarding the disappearance of Gus Lamont in Australia, the suspects are one of two grandparents, one of whom is male identifying as female - on Webseluths which I follow sometimes for these cases, they have banned any talk of sex or gender identity saying it is irrelevant to the investigation! I think it is outrageous and the sex of the suspect is highly important, it may turn out to be the female grandparent in this case but any sexual abuse, violent crimes or murder are predominantly carried out by men! Why should we be silenced on this issue!

The "opposite information" was given extremely early in the incident and was not based on a formal police report but rather a witness statement from a call to the police.

It can in no way be compared to a formal police identification.

Thats in Canada though, it shouldnt apply anywhere else.

Yes keep telling yourself that if you like. It was a bloke in a dress

No one thinks its a girl.

Yeah, thank you. I didn't even know if that thing about Canadian law was true. It was more a question. And yeah they should say 'transwoman' whichever country it's broadcasting to.

Yes, we know the shooter was male. I'm not contesting that.

If the immediate report was from a witness of a "female in a dress" then that's what they're going to say was reported in the initial calls. Because that's what WAS reported in the initial calls.

It wasn't correct information - I agree. But it doesn't mean there's some conspiracy to hide the shooters identity. Even if there was it was a shit conspiracy because 24 hours after the shooting we had the facts. And yet some people are so fucking impatient they just have to have all the details immediately.

The police have to be careful with what they say until the facts are established and everyone spoken to. You only have to look at recent cases like Charlie Kirk. They've arrested two people / one was let go / they've got the gunman / no they haven't / ok now they've got the real gunman. And this is far from the only case.

I don't think people appreciate the difficulty and sheer horror of these situations that the police are dealing with. Their priority is not confirming whether the shooter was trans (or whatever other category is in question) just to satisfy public interest.

98 % of mass shootings are male. I don't think anyone on here has said women don't commit these crimes but it's vanishingly rare. This is male violence and she be reported as such from the get-go.

I wonder what exactly was the wording from the person phoning it in?

In any case I'll eat my hat if the police didnt know very very quickly, given the local knowledge of him, that he was the suspect.

The daily telegraph is using correct sex pronouns. It makes reading the reports so much easier . The BBC meanwhile is choosing not to report it. Thank Elon for X otherwise this would be another woman's crime.

@likelysuspect the caller would have known this person by name, you don't live in a village long before you know the names of everyone especially if they stand out. the hold up would have been how to politically correctly "name" the person.
@Didshejustsaythatoutloud I would 100% think that the families would want to know how this mentally ill person fell through the cracks and was allowed to commit this heinous crime. There will be a lot of anger. Especially the people involved in allowing him access to guns.
Regarding the description; IF he had escaped the school, the misinformation could mean others would be put in danger, female in a dress vs transgender in a dress could mean someone letting him into the health clinic (across the street from the high school) or the community center where the preschool nursery was.
30+ years ago the community of Kitimat was told the shooter in a crime was surrounded and in a particular motel room. HOWEVER he had escaped and had a solid 10 TEN hour lead on the police, Kevin Vermette has never been found.

Then

why

did they say “female in a dress”?

Because that was the initial report they had.

i bet the killer/family has a history of complaining about misgendering and other types of threats. right now the law is written that people can and are loosing jobs over this issue "female in a dress" is too suspicious a comment to be anything but an attempt at politically correct nonsense in this case.

@LVhandbagsatdawn the initial call would have been the killers name. all this female in a dress is back pedaling.

I just don’t think the perpetrator’s sex is important. The newsworthiness is that an individual has committed a heinous crime. There is a whole community who need support. That’s the news. Not the sex of the criminal.

If you can listen to the police officer calling this mass murderer a woman and 'she' in his press conference ', because that's how she identified' and not want to slap him, I don't know what to say.

Matricidal mass murderers offing children don't deserve to have their delusions indulged even after death.

From the report that police were called to the house by "a female youth related to both suspect and victims", there's a young sister coming home after the terror at school to discover her mum and brother dead. That poor kid.

All the poor families.

are you saying women have never killed and there are no women serial killers?

Totally agree.
Sex/gender is not the issue here!

@PoliteSquid knowing how this person feel through the cracks is totally relevant to the families they will be very angry that someone so mentally ill was allowed this close to the children zero school security. and yes believing you can change sex is a mental illness.

Exactly. It's better to say nothing than to release inaccurate information. Otherwise at what point do we get to the stage where the facts of the case become totally meaningless?

If "Yesterday's shooting was carried out at a secondary school in Toronto by a white woman in her thirties" actually means "The knife attack took place last Tuesday and the perpetrator was a black man aged between 45 and 50" then what's the point of even reporting it?

This is why the bastardisation of language which is so inextricably linked with the whole trans movement is so immensely pernicious. If "x" actually means "y" - or sometimes even "z" - then language is rendered pointless and we may as well revert to grunting at each other.