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To think the sex of suspects should always be properly reported for violent or sexual crimes, the mass killer in Canada was male. That's important to know.

179 replies

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 12/02/2026 14:34

"Suspect in Canada shooting is identified as an 18-year-old with history of police visits to her home"

Is incorect. Women don't tend to go on mass killing sprees. Or rape many people.

https://apnews.com/article/canada-school-shooting-british-columbia-e577eb5689d1af42f6077a56368d4170

Police began putting tape out near the Tumbler Ridge Secondary School and surrounding buildings in Tumbler Ridge, B.C. on Wednesday, Feb. 11, 2026.(Jesse Boily /The Canadian Press via AP)

Suspect in Canada shooting is identified as an 18-year-old with history of police visits to her home

The suspect in a school shooting in Canada has been identified as an 18-year-old who had a history of police visits to her home to check on her mental health.

https://apnews.com/article/canada-school-shooting-british-columbia-e577eb5689d1af42f6077a56368d4170

OP posts:
Renamed · 12/02/2026 16:00

Your statement is not unreasonable, but in relation to this crime, I have seen no one reporting that this was a woman

WaffleParty · 12/02/2026 16:00

I think this isn’t the time for this debate. Gender isn’t the must important thing here.

Sarah2891 · 12/02/2026 16:01

YANBU at all. It's very important that things are reported correctly.

PoliteSquid · 12/02/2026 16:06

Boomer55 · 12/02/2026 15:38

Murder is murder, I can’t see why gender is important.

This.

I don’t think gender matters at all when talking about a murderer

PoliteSquid · 12/02/2026 16:08

RinklyRomaine · 12/02/2026 15:56

For ANY crime or report. Sex matters.

Why??

endofthelinefinally · 12/02/2026 16:10

This person was clearly very unwell and disturbed and had access to guns. Previous police visits to the home. Yet still this happened. Will there be an honest investigation? I doubt it.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 12/02/2026 16:11

Renamed · 12/02/2026 16:00

Your statement is not unreasonable, but in relation to this crime, I have seen no one reporting that this was a woman

Well, the link I gave? AP? Pretty big, not to mention everything out of the Canadian police especially at first?

OP posts:
Q2C4 · 12/02/2026 16:11

PoliteSquid · 12/02/2026 16:08

Why??

For statistical analysis and resultant targeting of resources.

EasternStandard · 12/02/2026 16:11

Renamed · 12/02/2026 16:00

Your statement is not unreasonable, but in relation to this crime, I have seen no one reporting that this was a woman

I have, it’s linked and screen shotted on other threads.

Yanbu op

endofthelinefinally · 12/02/2026 16:14

PoliteSquid · 12/02/2026 16:08

Why??

You can't think why identifying significant groups of perpetrators of types of crimes would be important to putting preventative policies and services in place?

Millytante · 12/02/2026 16:14

Renamed · 12/02/2026 16:00

Your statement is not unreasonable, but in relation to this crime, I have seen no one reporting that this was a woman

The Guardian did. The report opened by saying the shooter was a woman, not even a trans woman, until far down in the article. So they cemented an idea that this was a female crime.
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Millytante · 12/02/2026 16:15

endofthelinefinally · 12/02/2026 16:14

You can't think why identifying significant groups of perpetrators of types of crimes would be important to putting preventative policies and services in place?

Hard to understand this, and I’m appalled that so many here have so little concern.

HeadyLamarr · 12/02/2026 16:19

PoliteSquid · 12/02/2026 16:06

This.

I don’t think gender matters at all when talking about a murderer

Gender doesn't matter, sex does.

If we can't accurately record and monitor crime data we can't recognise where there are problems, we can't take action to protect vulnerable people, we can't target crime prevention effectively. Accurate data - absolutely essential.

These are not women's crimes. As bloody usual, they are the crimes of violent, disturbed men.

Men and boys are responsible for 96% of school shootings, according to a database held by the Washington Post.

AuntieMsDamsonCrumble · 12/02/2026 16:21

BigYellowBus · 12/02/2026 15:49

Ever listened properly to the lyrics of I Don't Like Mondays? Perpetrator was female so school shootings aren't exclusively a male preserve

No, but this example actually serves as the exception that proves the rule.

KillTheTurkey · 12/02/2026 16:24

As soon as I saw this story, I thought, ‘a woman didn’t do this, women don’t do this, it must be a man’.

I was right, it was a man.

RinklyRomaine · 12/02/2026 16:25

PoliteSquid · 12/02/2026 16:08

Why??

Is that a genuine question? You can’t imagine why sex might matter in newsworthy items? No wonder this crap has gotten so far.

Underthinker · 12/02/2026 16:27

canklesmctacotits · 12/02/2026 15:39

I don't think it's helpful to make this a trans debate. In answer to the question posed in the title of your thread: actually, I think it's wrong to report the sex of a suspect because doing so would lead people to jump to conclusions. You're right, women don't tend to be rapists or mass murderers - so nothing to be gained from drip feeding hints in a case such as this one, and I happen to think that whatever your opinion on trans issues this is ultimately a juvenile who should be treated as such. But in other cases, it can be wise and useful to not state or hint that, for example, a nurse suspected of this or that crime against hospital patients is a man or a woman. What's to be gained from it? Why do you need to know?

Why report any news? Why do you need to know anything at all?

LVhandbagsatdawn · 12/02/2026 16:29

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 12/02/2026 15:38

The first 12 hours or so, especially the Canadian Police announcements all clearly refused to say the shooter was male? And they still are!

They didn't refuse to say it FGS.

A) they had to do their job and look after the victims, families, and make the scene(s) plural safe. They're a small community with a small emergency staff. Giving press updates to satisfy the slavering masses is not top of the priority list unless there is a present danger.

B) It was the early morning here when it started being reported in UK news. The town is several hours behind, meaning while everyone here was discussing it in the morning and lunchtime it was still the early hours there. The Canadian authorities are not going to hold a press conference at 3am to satisfy the curiosity of people in the UK.

C) The early reports did say a female in a dress. Likely coming from a witness who only got a glimpse because they were hiding or running. They didn't have time to stand there and properly appraise the situation.

D) Now we know the picture damn near everywhere is reporting it accurately.

KillTheTurkey · 12/02/2026 16:29

PoliteSquid · 12/02/2026 16:08

Why??

For lawmakers, for public services, sex matters.

Thought experiment: let’s roll out a cervical screening programme for the entire adult population. At the same time, let’s roll out a prostate screening programme for the whole population. Half of the entire budget wasted, because we can’t differentiate between sexes when making policy.

This is exactly the same. Recording male crimes as female crimes skews policy making and - as a result - allocation of resources at an institutional and societal level.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 12/02/2026 16:34

LVhandbagsatdawn · 12/02/2026 16:29

They didn't refuse to say it FGS.

A) they had to do their job and look after the victims, families, and make the scene(s) plural safe. They're a small community with a small emergency staff. Giving press updates to satisfy the slavering masses is not top of the priority list unless there is a present danger.

B) It was the early morning here when it started being reported in UK news. The town is several hours behind, meaning while everyone here was discussing it in the morning and lunchtime it was still the early hours there. The Canadian authorities are not going to hold a press conference at 3am to satisfy the curiosity of people in the UK.

C) The early reports did say a female in a dress. Likely coming from a witness who only got a glimpse because they were hiding or running. They didn't have time to stand there and properly appraise the situation.

D) Now we know the picture damn near everywhere is reporting it accurately.

Thats crap. their wording was deliberate and obvious, they put identity politics over clear honest reporting.

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endofthelinefinally · 12/02/2026 16:35

For example (just an example) the recent case of the paedophile nursery worker in North London. Should that person's sex not have been recorded or mentioned? Not considered relevant to the crime?
(Yes I know there have been a couple of cases of abusive female workers, but it is about the risk as a percentage of the work force or population that matters).

canklesmctacotits · 12/02/2026 16:36

Underthinker · 12/02/2026 16:27

Why report any news? Why do you need to know anything at all?

The news is when facts are ascertained. This was (until this morning, I'm in the US) a suspect. The media should stick to facts and, in their op-eds, considered and backed up opinion. They're shit at this, which is a massive problem. The Nancy Guthrie situation is equally shit. It's mindless social media-style speculation in MSM format. Utterly wrong.

Ramblingnamechanger · 12/02/2026 16:36

the Independentbwas still saying woman at around noon today, while we have been watching other sources gradually reluctantly telling some of the truth. Strange how they could easily tell the victims’ sex quite quickly. Time to stop the dangerous ideology that is clearly not helping disturbed young men.

Eyesopenwideawake · 12/02/2026 16:36

Do you think the families of the victims care whether the person who fired the shots wore a dress or had male genitalia?

CarefullyCuratedFurniture · 12/02/2026 16:37

BigYellowBus · 12/02/2026 15:49

Ever listened properly to the lyrics of I Don't Like Mondays? Perpetrator was female so school shootings aren't exclusively a male preserve

Brenda something (the girl you're talking about) and Audrey Hale are the only two female school shooters I've ever heard of. Im sure there are others, but I don't recall them. I found this from a group that tracks mass shootings in the USA, which suggests only 4% of mass shooters are female:

Why Mass Shootings by Women Are Rare
news.northeastern.edu/2024/12/17/mass-shootings-by-women-wisconsin-school/

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