To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

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So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

Why don't people on lower wages just get higher paid jobs instead of moaning about those on higher wages?

and thats part of the issue in the end society only needs so many companies then whats left for the public etc,

Ah, we have reached peak MN. JuST GeT A HIghEr PaID JOb 🙄

I actually read that only 15% of the care home workforce are on UC. Which means 85% manage their expenses? I believe social care funding is restricted by what the government allocates anyway.

So you're against people owning businesses. What about those who are employees and just get paid a lot for the good work they do?

because the jobs are not there

no one who works full time at any company should not need uc, otherwise its not a suitable business model

Not sure about Jeff in particular.

Amazon say they paid nearly £6bn in 2024

www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/company-news/amazon-economic-impact-uk-tax-contributions-investments

Because there not enough of them to go round, obviously. The system is a pyramid with far more required at the base producing the product than up top.

out of how much they avoided etc

My belief is that if you're not disabled, and not caring for disabled people that you should be the driving force in improving your situation.

I don't mind UC a last resort stop gap when things are though. When life's really hit you. But use the UC and whatever to try and improve your own situation.

All rational individuals seek to minimise their tax burden.

yes and after watching billions i agree, but at the same time you and i know its not for the greater good of society all it is is wealth extraction and then leaves society as a corpse

And when your elderly parents can’t get an NHS dentist with waiting lists of years. When your property is stolen but the police won’t investigate even though there’s cctv evidence ( that they won’t watch ) because theft happens constantly and they don’t have the resources. When there is no mental health support available for ordinary working people or homeless unless you have private healthcare. I could go on but suffice to say the state this country is in is a disgrace. Caused by the neglect of consecutive governments.
I still love this country but it’s a crying shame that the powers that be let it go to rack and ruin. The rich poor devide grows, general standard of living declines. How is that progress? I fear for the future and the young & future generations

But it's not even your tax burden you're trying to rationalise here!

What will you do if your husband leaves to work in a 0% tax country? No maintenance enforcement. I assume you'd need some sort social funding.

OP, who pissed on your chips? I am afraid you are now beginning to sound spiteful which detracts from the, erm, message if you can call it that.

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

Not claiming UC and being able to manage finances are not the same. Not everyone on NNW is entitled to UC. Some will have visa restrictions that prevent entitlement. Others will have low housing costs due to house share or living with parents. Others will be part of a couple and their joint income takes them over the threshold.
None of that changes the fact that Joe pays them the lowest rate he legally can in order to live comfortably off their income.
And please don't do that thing of extrapolating from what I've said something I've not.
I haven't said I'm 'against business' at all. I've merely explained to you how the labour of the low paid makes profit for the highly paid, which is what you asked me.

You just called someone you never met “sweetie” while speculating on how her marriage will implode and her husband go off to a 0% tax regime where he won’t have a job.

For natural monopolies such as utilities, transport, and healthcare (access/ funding) state ownership should be the first choice. For most other sectors, competition (including first to market advantages) tempered by reasonable regulation is what drives innovation and protects consumers from higher prices, reduced choice (barring beneficial standardisation) etc

At least that is what should happen in principal. In practice...

Why are you not more than mere admin at a GP surgery?

yes in practice, but in reality cheap labour etc

So if everyone takes your advice and uses 'the UC or whatever' to improve their lot, who is going to be making the products, delivering the parcels and taking your Grandma to the toilet? Will we have a rota?

I think you may be reading critique as a spiteful attack.

I think it is fair to be critical of how women are taught to defend the privileges men gain from a capitalist system, while doing a lot of the work to keep it running.

If you want to join in, maybe engage with the actual point.

Maybe those care workers have a high earning DH 😉

Life is way too short. It is not " I don't want to think about other people and their needs". Its - i work hard and I want to prioritise my own family. Not saying other people don't work hard. And i've said before, do admire people who can put 'society' ahead of their family but that's just not me. We moved to low tax country and we are able to offer our kids a better lifestyle and save properly for retirement. You only live once and I chose less stress and to be able to do more with my family. And yes, that means hiring help is easier here too.
And btw I dont know which country domestic helpers you're talking about but in Asia, they are not treated as slaves at all. Domestic helpers save more than the average person in the UK. Retire way earlier and return home and live like kings. It is again a choice they make to give their family a better life.