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To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

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tutuland · 10/02/2026 18:25

So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

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tutuland · 11/02/2026 00:03

KTheGrey · 10/02/2026 23:55

You just called someone you never met “sweetie” while speculating on how her marriage will implode and her husband go off to a 0% tax regime where he won’t have a job.

Is that not a genuine risk though?

The poster is defending something that is not even theirs, with no guarantee it would remain theirs. They ‘threatened’ that they'd go off and pay no more tax.

I am just pointing out that it's not their money...

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TestingDaily · 11/02/2026 00:04

KTheGrey · 10/02/2026 23:55

You just called someone you never met “sweetie” while speculating on how her marriage will implode and her husband go off to a 0% tax regime where he won’t have a job.

My husband loves me and our DC. Whatever happens next is something we are discussing as a family. Always supported each other and the kids.

We're off to holiday soon (just the 2 of us) and we'll be having a swell time.

tutuland · 11/02/2026 00:05

ANON20241 · 11/02/2026 00:01

Life is way too short. It is not " I don't want to think about other people and their needs". Its - i work hard and I want to prioritise my own family. Not saying other people don't work hard. And i've said before, do admire people who can put 'society' ahead of their family but that's just not me. We moved to low tax country and we are able to offer our kids a better lifestyle and save properly for retirement. You only live once and I chose less stress and to be able to do more with my family. And yes, that means hiring help is easier here too.
And btw I dont know which country domestic helpers you're talking about but in Asia, they are not treated as slaves at all. Domestic helpers save more than the average person in the UK. Retire way earlier and return home and live like kings. It is again a choice they make to give their family a better life.

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/minimum-salary-for-filipina-maids-confirmed $400 a month sound reasonable to you?

But fair enough on the points you made before justifying modern slavery

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Linning · 11/02/2026 00:06

tutuland · 10/02/2026 23:49

But it's not even your tax burden you're trying to rationalise here!

What will you do if your husband leaves to work in a 0% tax country? No maintenance enforcement. I assume you'd need some sort social funding.

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I am not sure why you are hammering down on that specific poster, OP, but most people who are from a high income household usually have their finances set up.

Will this poster lose up financially if she breaks up and her husband moves to Dubai and refuses to pay maintenance? Probably but is she likely to have at least one property of high value to sell + healthy bank accounts and other investments to take dividends from if her marriage was to break down? Also very likely.

Most people with higher finances do fine despite divorce (better than those on lower income anyway).

You know what’s unlikely? Someone earning 200k+ moving to a different country where he doesn’t have a job nor friends nor family just so he doesn’t have to pay maintenance (and never see his kids again?) when he’s been happy to pay taxes and the cost of living for his whole family in the UK so far. It’s completely illogical.

Also it’s honestly bizarre you seem to enjoy thinking about this poster’s marriage imploding? You seem massively bitter at higher earners and your thread is starting to sound more and more like « everyone should earn the same wage and anything else is unfair irrelevant of the skills required, context nor job » and less and less about the title of your thread.

DeftWasp · 11/02/2026 00:08

tutuland · 10/02/2026 18:25

So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

Yes, but that's not how it should work in a healthy economy - we need (and don't have) growth, growth only cones by selling someone in a different economy something, the resulting profit is then taxed in various ways, people become richer, the country becomes richer.

If its just circular, Joe buys x from Fred, government taxes Fred and Joe, eventually, you run out of other peoples money.

Our economy is largely service based, and has become somewhat circular, our tax rates are too high for service businesses to moor up here tax wise, so we miss out.

WunTooThree · 11/02/2026 00:09

5128gap · 10/02/2026 23:59

So if everyone takes your advice and uses 'the UC or whatever' to improve their lot, who is going to be making the products, delivering the parcels and taking your Grandma to the toilet? Will we have a rota?

I am not sure PP is genuine. Seems very naïve.
Come on, like Jeff Bezos employs people because he is a charity and wants to give people a purpose.
PP on pin money for a admin job that would need a UC top up in the real world anyway. She would also be replaced in a heartbeat.

TestingDaily · 11/02/2026 00:11

tutuland · 10/02/2026 23:30

Saying he knows python and java is not as special as you think. In a few years, he'll be completely replaced by a software.

You're defending something that's not even yours.

If your marriage ever breaks up, he takes his successful salary with him. He could decided to relocate to 0% tax land without you. They cant even force him to pay maintenance from out there sweetie. Then no money for you.

I think your role working admin at a GP's office is just as valuable to society as your husband who knows how to code.

Has many other technical and soft skills as well. AI won't fully replace what he does. Even so, the grads would be the ones who would be replaced at the start. If the very very worst happens and he's replaced.... then we'll enjoy retirement.

blueshoes · 11/02/2026 00:12

tutuland · 10/02/2026 23:59

I think you may be reading critique as a spiteful attack.

I think it is fair to be critical of how women are taught to defend the privileges men gain from a capitalist system, while doing a lot of the work to keep it running.

If you want to join in, maybe engage with the actual point.

I think you are all over the shop.

WunTooThree · 11/02/2026 00:13

TestingDaily · 11/02/2026 00:11

Has many other technical and soft skills as well. AI won't fully replace what he does. Even so, the grads would be the ones who would be replaced at the start. If the very very worst happens and he's replaced.... then we'll enjoy retirement.

He does. Not you.

PhaedraWas · 11/02/2026 00:15

I don't earn anything like £400,000 but I'm in that group of highest tax payers. As I'm in Scotland the headline tax on the top slice of my income is 67.5%.

No, I'm not happy at paying so much.

TestingDaily · 11/02/2026 00:15

Linning · 11/02/2026 00:06

I am not sure why you are hammering down on that specific poster, OP, but most people who are from a high income household usually have their finances set up.

Will this poster lose up financially if she breaks up and her husband moves to Dubai and refuses to pay maintenance? Probably but is she likely to have at least one property of high value to sell + healthy bank accounts and other investments to take dividends from if her marriage was to break down? Also very likely.

Most people with higher finances do fine despite divorce (better than those on lower income anyway).

You know what’s unlikely? Someone earning 200k+ moving to a different country where he doesn’t have a job nor friends nor family just so he doesn’t have to pay maintenance (and never see his kids again?) when he’s been happy to pay taxes and the cost of living for his whole family in the UK so far. It’s completely illogical.

Also it’s honestly bizarre you seem to enjoy thinking about this poster’s marriage imploding? You seem massively bitter at higher earners and your thread is starting to sound more and more like « everyone should earn the same wage and anything else is unfair irrelevant of the skills required, context nor job » and less and less about the title of your thread.

You explained it well.

MissConductUS · 11/02/2026 00:15

5128gap · 10/02/2026 23:21

Yes, but their pay has to be set at a level that allows for non producers to profit.
For example, Joe owns three care homes. He lives off the profit he makes because the cost to him of providing his service is less than he is paid to deliver it. He makes it so by charging high rates for care, and paying the carers NMW.
Because if he paid them more he wouldn't make enough money to spend his days on the golf course.
His carers can't raise their families and pay their rent on NNW, so the tax payer tops their money up for them via benefits.
So not only does the labour of the carers keep Joe in his lifestyle, the tax payer contributes indirectly too. And that's without the tax payers money that goes to Joe to pay for the care of the residents.
But Joe pays 'a lot of tax'. So that's OK.

The part that you're missing in this example is the several million quid Joe has invested in the care homes. He could have used that money to buy government bonds and live off the interest payments, or invested it in shares and had long-term gains.

If Joe can't make a living from his investment in care homes, no one will own or operate care homes.

ANON20241 · 11/02/2026 00:15

tutuland · 11/02/2026 00:05

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/minimum-salary-for-filipina-maids-confirmed $400 a month sound reasonable to you?

But fair enough on the points you made before justifying modern slavery

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Do you think the majority of households in UK manage to save USD 400 a month? That is net salary as everything is paid for. I don't live in Dubai so have no idea what their working conditions are like so cannot comment. I am only commenting on where we live. Where we live in Asia, domestic helpers are treated well as part of the family. They are paid between GBP 600-GBP 1000 per month net and they get bonuses on top. All their expenses are paid for. Majorities of families in the UK cannot save this on a monthly basis . Why is that modern slavery. Don't form judgement about things you do not know much about.

TheMerryJoker · 11/02/2026 00:17

MissConductUS · 11/02/2026 00:15

The part that you're missing in this example is the several million quid Joe has invested in the care homes. He could have used that money to buy government bonds and live off the interest payments, or invested it in shares and had long-term gains.

If Joe can't make a living from his investment in care homes, no one will own or operate care homes.

but when they charge over the odds for the actual services offered etc then thats greed

tutuland · 11/02/2026 00:19

Linning · 11/02/2026 00:06

I am not sure why you are hammering down on that specific poster, OP, but most people who are from a high income household usually have their finances set up.

Will this poster lose up financially if she breaks up and her husband moves to Dubai and refuses to pay maintenance? Probably but is she likely to have at least one property of high value to sell + healthy bank accounts and other investments to take dividends from if her marriage was to break down? Also very likely.

Most people with higher finances do fine despite divorce (better than those on lower income anyway).

You know what’s unlikely? Someone earning 200k+ moving to a different country where he doesn’t have a job nor friends nor family just so he doesn’t have to pay maintenance (and never see his kids again?) when he’s been happy to pay taxes and the cost of living for his whole family in the UK so far. It’s completely illogical.

Also it’s honestly bizarre you seem to enjoy thinking about this poster’s marriage imploding? You seem massively bitter at higher earners and your thread is starting to sound more and more like « everyone should earn the same wage and anything else is unfair irrelevant of the skills required, context nor job » and less and less about the title of your thread.

I think it's bizarre that you're attacking me instead of the point I'm making. The poster said her husband wanted to go abroad and not pay taxes, I didn't make that up. I used it as an example of how society and the welfare system could support her.

Not that it matters, but I am a high earner and I've benefited from considerable privilege in my life. I dont think I deserve to be paid more than the lady that cleans our office. Sure, ive studied lots. But that has been subsidised by society. I would be delusional if I thought I deserved more money than a critical care nurse.

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tutuland · 11/02/2026 00:22

ANON20241 · 11/02/2026 00:15

Do you think the majority of households in UK manage to save USD 400 a month? That is net salary as everything is paid for. I don't live in Dubai so have no idea what their working conditions are like so cannot comment. I am only commenting on where we live. Where we live in Asia, domestic helpers are treated well as part of the family. They are paid between GBP 600-GBP 1000 per month net and they get bonuses on top. All their expenses are paid for. Majorities of families in the UK cannot save this on a monthly basis . Why is that modern slavery. Don't form judgement about things you do not know much about.

Just wow.

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TestingDaily · 11/02/2026 00:23

WunTooThree · 11/02/2026 00:09

I am not sure PP is genuine. Seems very naïve.
Come on, like Jeff Bezos employs people because he is a charity and wants to give people a purpose.
PP on pin money for a admin job that would need a UC top up in the real world anyway. She would also be replaced in a heartbeat.

He does it so his business can run and make money. He does it for his own benefit, but indirectly is providing employment and income for people?

WunTooThree · 11/02/2026 00:26

TestingDaily · 11/02/2026 00:23

He does it so his business can run and make money. He does it for his own benefit, but indirectly is providing employment and income for people?

The working conditions are shit.
But you can't see that from your ivory tower.

TheMerryJoker · 11/02/2026 00:27

TestingDaily · 11/02/2026 00:23

He does it so his business can run and make money. He does it for his own benefit, but indirectly is providing employment and income for people?

until they can fully use robots

NorthXNorthWest · 11/02/2026 00:28

TestingDaily · 10/02/2026 23:41

All rational individuals seek to minimise their tax burden.

It’s unacceptable to minimise tax on the scale Amazon and others do it. The tab for the difference between the tax they should pay and what they actually pay gets picked up by UK tax payers whilst Amazon laughs all the way to the bank.

Do you think it is rational for firms like Amazon to benefit directly from UK workers, UK customers, and systems paid for by taxes: healthcare, education, infrastructure etc without making a contribution to living salaries or taxes for the up keep of those systems. Because if Amazon and similar companies aren’t paying enough tax or high enough wages who do you think funds the services or the state income top-ups some of their direct and/or indirect workers rely on?...

There’s nothing wrong with making a profit. There is something wrong with making large profits while expecting the UK public to subsidise your labour costs and the systems your business depends on.

TestingDaily · 11/02/2026 00:28

ANON20241 · 11/02/2026 00:15

Do you think the majority of households in UK manage to save USD 400 a month? That is net salary as everything is paid for. I don't live in Dubai so have no idea what their working conditions are like so cannot comment. I am only commenting on where we live. Where we live in Asia, domestic helpers are treated well as part of the family. They are paid between GBP 600-GBP 1000 per month net and they get bonuses on top. All their expenses are paid for. Majorities of families in the UK cannot save this on a monthly basis . Why is that modern slavery. Don't form judgement about things you do not know much about.

I've met family in Asia who have domestic help. The help have their own apartment/rooms to stay in. Get treated well, paid fairly and have enough to look after their own families.

Linning · 11/02/2026 00:28

tutuland · 11/02/2026 00:19

I think it's bizarre that you're attacking me instead of the point I'm making. The poster said her husband wanted to go abroad and not pay taxes, I didn't make that up. I used it as an example of how society and the welfare system could support her.

Not that it matters, but I am a high earner and I've benefited from considerable privilege in my life. I dont think I deserve to be paid more than the lady that cleans our office. Sure, ive studied lots. But that has been subsidised by society. I would be delusional if I thought I deserved more money than a critical care nurse.

I am not attacking you I am questioning your motives.

I am not from the UK as previously stated but similar system and have a dad who never left the country yet never paid maintenance. Many men don’t pay maintenance or pay a measly token monthly « participation » in the UK and in many other equally « modern » countries, because there’s a big difference between what the system tells you it can do for you and ways in which it can protect you and what it actually does.

I don’t think that poster’s situation would be much different if she divorced him and he stayed or he left. Morally corrupt people will find ways to not pay maintenance and bail on their responsibilities whether they live in the UK or move to a tax-haven.

I am curious though. If you feel you shouldn’t be a high earner and the cleaning lady at your office should earn as much as you or you as little as her, why don’t you share your salary with her? Hire her to clean for you and pay her half of what you make?

it’s interesting you don’t feel you should earn more than others but still do and yet are upset at others who also do?

NorthXNorthWest · 11/02/2026 00:31

PhaedraWas · 11/02/2026 00:15

I don't earn anything like £400,000 but I'm in that group of highest tax payers. As I'm in Scotland the headline tax on the top slice of my income is 67.5%.

No, I'm not happy at paying so much.

You are being robbed.

TheMerryJoker · 11/02/2026 00:35

tutuland · 10/02/2026 18:25

So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

No, it's not unreasonable for high earners to complain about taxes, and the confusion arises from overlooking key realities of the UK's tax system and public services.

High earners (often defined as £50k+ for higher-rate tax, or £100k+ for traps like the 60% effective marginal rate) contribute disproportionately— the top 10% pay around 60% of income tax—yet many report receiving poor value in return, such as long NHS waits, delayed ambulances, or inadequate GP access, forcing them to go private despite their contributions.

Their grievances typically centre on waste, mismanagement, and disincentives (e.g., doctors limiting hours or entrepreneurs slowing growth to avoid tax cliffs), rather than taxes existing at all.

While it's true that much private income ultimately cycles through public spending and societal infrastructure, this interdependence doesn't negate the frustration when the "social contract" feels one-sided: high contributors subsidize broad services but see declining quality and personal penalties for success.
Your point about wealth originating from "normal people paying for things" has merit—profits and salaries often trace back to collective demand, consumer purchases, or taxpayer-funded ecosystems—but it oversimplifies value creation and risk.

Many high earners take on significant stress, long hours, or entrepreneurial risks (e.g., potential bankruptcy) to generate jobs and growth that benefit society, including lower earners.

Dismissing this as a "rigged game" ignores that market pay reflects supply/demand, skill scarcity, and voluntary exchanges, not just extraction. In a healthy system, progressive taxes are fair for redistribution and public goods, but when services falter and marginal rates punish extra effort, complaints are valid across income levels—not just envy or entitlement.

Ultimately, the real issue is systemic inefficiency, not high earners' right to voice dissatisfaction with how their substantial taxes are spent.

tutuland · 11/02/2026 00:38

Linning · 11/02/2026 00:28

I am not attacking you I am questioning your motives.

I am not from the UK as previously stated but similar system and have a dad who never left the country yet never paid maintenance. Many men don’t pay maintenance or pay a measly token monthly « participation » in the UK and in many other equally « modern » countries, because there’s a big difference between what the system tells you it can do for you and ways in which it can protect you and what it actually does.

I don’t think that poster’s situation would be much different if she divorced him and he stayed or he left. Morally corrupt people will find ways to not pay maintenance and bail on their responsibilities whether they live in the UK or move to a tax-haven.

I am curious though. If you feel you shouldn’t be a high earner and the cleaning lady at your office should earn as much as you or you as little as her, why don’t you share your salary with her? Hire her to clean for you and pay her half of what you make?

it’s interesting you don’t feel you should earn more than others but still do and yet are upset at others who also do?

It's good you're curious but don't be glib.

Me giving the cleaner my salary would not fix a system. I started this post to discuss issues with paying high taxes, not ask for suggestions for a personal crusade to make the world more fair.

I can will acknowledge my own privilege and that the system is not fair. If I earn more and I'm taxed more, I know that that is the price we pay to live in a secure society.

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