To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

[tutuland]

So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

So at @tutuland is some sort of GCSE econ student/infant communist judging by their comments.
PP had it nailed on the first page - no one begrudges paying tax if it’s value for money but services are getting exponentially worse.
My £4917 per month tax and NI deduction rankles a bit when I can’t get to see a GP and keep having to replace tires due to fucking potholes…

Or she/he might well be a Labour backbencher.

My situation is complicated, but because I don’t spend more than 180 days anywhere, I mainly do lots of short term-contracts abroad, my tax residence remain in my home country as is my self-employed status.

So I would say I spend most of the year abroad just never in the same country throughout the year, so I can’t claim to be a tax resident anywhere else.

Currently started to look at maybe relocating to Southern Italy though for tax purposes as it seems like I could be a lot better off as a foreigner (I need to look into it some more).

It the end tax systems are archaic and haven’t yet evolved to work/take into account people like me, who move abroad and might country hop for work (or for fun!) which is something nowadays more young people are keen to do or might do. So maybe in the next decade or three, there will be a system in which people like me can have a tax system fairer to them.

Indeed. When there’s no money for anything as it’s all being poured into benefits, and you face ever deteriorating public services that 67% marginal rate of tax takes the piss a little.

if there was no benefits to pay for do people still think they would be taxed less ? and why ?

Is it not the case that 95% of workers earn less than 100K anyway? It’s not the high earners that are overtaxed it’s the majority middle that are

Everyone's taxes pay for these things not just the taxes of high earners, so we shouldn't phrase it as 'high earners pay for...' as though they are the only ones playing a part. Obviously they contribute more, and obviously we need their contribution. But equally they need the contribution of less privileged people who's labour creates their profit and who's money buys the product that made them wealthy.
This isn't a thread about why we need high earners, it's a thread suggesting we are all interdependent and carrying each other.

It is wrong for a high earner to complain about taxes.
They don’t pay any more than anyone else on their basic income; they only pay higher rates on their higher wages (which is fair enough).
If they don’t want to pay high rates they can take low paid jobs: they will work just as hard but will earn less and pay less taxes.

This is exactly where I am, income streams without having to work work of almost 6 figures. I could also work for a six figure salary……but when there is no mortgage, savings, pension and investments and there is volunteering I want to do - with the tax burden it doesn’t make sense.

How does the labour of the lower paid create the profits of the higher paid? I don't understand what you're saying.

I hope not. I hope that money would be ploughed into public services. So if you’ve been raped you so t have to wait years to give evidence in trial, if your child needs a CAMHS appointment they didn’t have to wait 3 years, that we had money to open specialist schools again so my child and classmates weren’t regularly punched in the face by someone clearly not suited to mainstream education, that flood defences could be built to protect homes, that we had enough police that we could catch shoplifters, I could go on all night.

These are basic services that are not being provided to me from my sky high taxes. I think we have a right to be annoyed.

Yes comrade, all money is OUR money and the wealthy are just holding it for us until the People’s Committee reallocates it. By this logic my hairdresser owns 0.0003% of Germany. Strong Eastern Bloc energy—next step is queues for bananas and a five-year plan for all Google salaries.

Where do exports fit in your mental model? My high earnings are ultimately paid for by people in Europe and Asia (but not really the UK) because that’s where my clients mostly are. I don’t see how the average UK taxpayer gets to claim credit for that.

What would happen to Amazon's profits if all the warehouse staff and drivers just quit?

High earner sell their services which society seems to value and pay for?

These days, ‘high earners’ include school teachers earning around 50k according to the tax system, not just CEOs in 400k!

The staff would be replaced. And if they all mass quit how would these staff pay their bills?

Because if there were no lower paid people making products and delivering services, there would be no products and no services to sell, so no profit made, no business and no CEOs, directors and shareholders.
If people weren't labouring for low pay, there would be less profit with which to pay CEOs, directors and shareholders.
Its all well and good contributing investment, management skills, strategy, but if you've no producers you've nothing to profit from.

I think you missed the point a little.

I don't understand what you mean. If someone is low paid and in the private sector that usually means it's a low skilled job that many people can do.

WIthout the low paid doing the labour, making the product and delivering it, the people above them are nothing. They would have no products to sell.

I mean they wouldn't mass quit as they need their jobs. And they agreed to their pay as part of their labour contract?

Ah but many people can do it, so it's not a unique skill to offer.

it’s okay if you are a communist I guess

It doesn't matter whether it's a job that many people can do. The point is that people have to do it if the high earning non producers are to be paid.