To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

[tutuland]

So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

What subterfuge?

Capitalism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive

Dumbest thing I've ever read on mn. You're saying that everyone should get paid the same wage no matter what job they do. Have you actually thought about the implications of that?

I tell my DC to try hard at school, because it'll help them get a 'better' job/career. But by your reckoning we should just give everyone A grades in every exam, no matter their ability or effort.

Exactly that.

Sorry, but what are you actually trying to say? Your title is about taxes but in your post you go on to say that no matter what people earn, it is 'all our money anyway' and high earners aren't more deserving of their income than anyone. Is your issue with high earners or with those who are unhappy about their taxation? Please clarify sweetie.

Your condescending 'sweetie' really churned my stomach I have to say

I think it's quite clear what she is saying by 'it's all our money anyway', she means essentially that companies generate revenue through selling things in exchange for our money. Make a profit by using our labour.

That's essentially our system is to extract resources from masses and keep profits. Which is why we need taxation, to get some of those resources back into the system.

And by high earners aren't more deserving of more money than anyone else - we don't live in a meritocracy. There are many wealthy people who work extremely hard, some who've got a lot of family money and had an easy ride, just as there are many low earners who work extremely hard like nurses and care workers, and some who don't work so hard. Hard work often isn't the determiner of how much you earn.

OP, answer the question.

When someone gives a sensible list you cannot reply to, you pull the ChatGPT trick to evade taxes.

Its not about paying the tax, its about where the tax is going to.

If i felt like my tax was being put to good use, funding the NHS, social housing, mental health care, ensuring families had enough food to put on their table and heat their homes in winter.

However right now i dont feel like that, our mental health is failing, our country is in an absolute crisis and i see no improvement.

And im in scotland, my tax is higher.

I also own the business,i take on all the risk, pay my staff well but i also deserve to earn what i earn

I'm using OPs own language as she keeps patronisingly calling people 'sweetie'. Please read the thread.

I'm aware of how our taxation system works and I am pro taxation, including increasing tax for the wealthy or super rich. I find the level of tax for those earning £125-150k extremely unfair and unpalatable.

I also haven't said that high earners are more deserving of money than anyone else or that hard work isn't the determiner of how much you earn. I'm very aware of different factors which contribute to 'success'.

Thanks for your contribution but I'm unsure of the relevance to my post.

Fair enough about the term sweetie!

Just answering as you're unclear on what OP is saying and I think it's quite clear

You have provided me with your interpretation of what OP is saying along with some of your opinions (which I agree with). Respectfully, I have asked OP to explain her point, not others to provide their view on what she is saying. I'm also not sure why you appear to make several assumptions about my views in your pp.

I dont see where I assumed anything about your views? I've posted a couple of times and OP has responded in agreement so I think my interpretation is pretty accurate. This is a public forum where multiple people are allowed to join the conversation so that's what I did

What's your view on the Norwegian model of taxation / benefits/ support (ignoring the wealth fund) @tutuland

@glitterpaperchain Thanks you've explained my my point perfectly.

I'm not sure if they're confused or just being obtuse because they have no logical retort to my point.

Um no. I'm not reading slop generated to validate a prompt you've given a LLM. If you cant tell the difference between a well phased comment or question and that nonsense I cant help you.

Ah ok. Was there a reason for your random explanation of how society and taxation work and the fact that hard work doesn't necessarily determine how much you earn? All of which were obvious points?

Yes, because you've been here for two days being aggressively confused. You don't have to attack the person making an argument that makes you uncomfortable. You'd think you'd know that being a solicitor and all.

London and Partners is not 'slop', it's a growth agency that works with the Mayor of London.

The key points are:

• Half of start-ups are not paying the correct amount of tax
• Many start-ups use legal means to lower their tax bill
• Some are engaging in aggressive strategies and tax evasion, such as:
• Profit Shifting - transferring profits to lower-tax jurisdictions.
• Artificially declaring insolvency to avoid paying tax debts then reforming as the same company
• Under declaring income

The question is how are you managing your tax payments? How do you ensure that you are not one of the start-ups avoiding tax?

What part of her argument made me uncomfortable? I said I agreed with her but her contribution had no relevance. I'm still waiting for you to explain what point you're trying to make with this thread though. You'd think you'd know that running a fintech startup though.

You explicitly asked OP to explain what she means and specifically mentioned taxation and the idea that higher earners don't necessarily deserve more income so that's what I talked about!

Please reread my post! This is so boring!

To be clear: at no point did I ask OP or anyone else to explain taxation or the extent to which high earners are deserving of their income, nor a basic explanation of how society works. I asked OP whether her issue is with high earners or with those who are unhappy about their taxation (or indeed both)? I'm still awaiting an answer.

Exactly! I need my cataracts doing. I could wait until I can't drive and get the NHS to do them, but I shall pay and get them done quicker. At a cost of £4000 per eye. I shan't even need a hospital bed unless something goes wrong. Oh, and I can choose the best and most experienced opthalmic surgeon.

God, nothing is more boring than you trying to make this thread a personal attack.

Also I've made it clear. It's why other posters kindly tried to explain my stance to you. Then you threw an aggressive hissy fit. So frankly I have no interest in engaging with you. This is what I'd call childish..

What is slop is what you've copy pasted from chatgpt.