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To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

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tutuland · 10/02/2026 18:25

So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

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tutuland · 11/02/2026 23:34

Seagullstopitnow · 11/02/2026 23:00

And if that "talent" is bestowed upon someone that had the sort of start in life that meant they never realised their potential? That's bad luck isn't it?

A person that isn't very intelligent, but whose parents made sacrifices to get the into the right schools, to get them the right friends and networks? That's luck of birth isn't it?

Very few people are genuinely rags to riches thanks to graft. There's nearly always a cash boost, a family to fall back on, coming from the right family or being in the right place at the right time.

People like to tell themselves it is all down to how hard they worked, how many hours they grafted. Ignoring the fact thst there are plenty of people that do the same and never get anywhere

I do think the ability to see one's privilege and not get too carried away with self congratulation for their hard work, a truer indicator of intelligence than degrees or take home pay.

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tutuland · 11/02/2026 23:36

nomas · 11/02/2026 23:03

Equally, those people are paying their taxes, so what are you moaning about?

It’s not enough that they contribute more, you also want them to be happy about it.

And no, it’s not fair that many people can work but choose not to do so.

Yes, I'm confused why people have an issue paying fair taxes.

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tutuland · 11/02/2026 23:38

LastMohecian · 11/02/2026 23:05

You’re slipping a bit now and it’s got a bit too obvious, you had a good run though.

I’m not at war with anyone, which was my point. The last time the tax burden was this high was post world war 2 where we were engaged in total war and every financial resource was allocated to the fight. So maybe the problem is when you say fair, what you mean is socialist (or communist in some of your posts) and you’d be right that I don’t want to live in a socialist society.

Whats slipping and whats obvious?

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MNLurker1345 · 11/02/2026 23:44

@tutuland, you ask why high earners moan about paying high levels of tax. Do you know any of these moaning high income tax payers or are you generalising. We pay our tax. As do you.

Can I ask you is your resentment just because we moan according to you or is it because we are high income earners. We all contribute. What is your problem?

LastMohecian · 11/02/2026 23:55

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NorthXNorthWest · 11/02/2026 23:56

Eddiestrangerthings · 11/02/2026 23:25

a footballer or celeb is hardly necessary roles for society

Because those are the the only jobs in the UK🙄

LastMohecian · 11/02/2026 23:56

tutuland · 11/02/2026 23:36

Yes, I'm confused why people have an issue paying fair taxes.

That would be confusing for anyone.

blueshoes · 11/02/2026 23:57

nearlylovemyusername · 11/02/2026 20:58

Great summary.
Just to add - many of the spend items which low income people pay for don't attract VAT at all or lower rate VAT, e.g. no VAT on food and water bills, 5% VAT on energy bills.

Britain’s tax system combines the worst of the US and Scandinavia

"The average UK worker is taxed much less than in most countries, and no other country has a steeper climb from taxes on middle to high earners."

OP, this article answers your question.

Totally agree. UK levies a tax on ambition. It seems culturally ingrained in the UK to tear down success rather than inspire success. The tax system incentivises low earnings and taxes are ideologically driven by the politics of envy.

So you get the likes of OP.

Brunts12 · 11/02/2026 23:57

tutuland · 11/02/2026 09:37

So take a data coder on 200K and a nurse on 30K. What has the tech guy sacrificed?

The nurse endures night shifts, being on their feet all day, illness, death, bodily fluids, stressed families. That’s intense and high stakes. The high stakes of tech is just will you make more money if you pull this off.

A nursing degree is also demanding academically and emotionally heavy.

The pay difference isn’t about who worked harder or studied more. It’s about what the market values and what makes money.

We reward what generates profit. We undervalue what keeps society running.

OP, your comparison is out of proportion. Starting salary for a data coder can be as low as minimum wage! While a consultant nurse can earn well over 100k.

NorthXNorthWest · 11/02/2026 23:59

tutuland · 11/02/2026 22:41

What?

It blows my mind they think they worked harder, and still 'sacrifice' more than nurses and police officers

tutuland · 12/02/2026 00:13

NorthXNorthWest · 11/02/2026 23:59

It blows my mind they think they worked harder, and still 'sacrifice' more than nurses and police officers

What has being a saint got to do with anything? Rich people are saints?

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tutuland · 12/02/2026 00:15

blueshoes · 11/02/2026 23:57

Totally agree. UK levies a tax on ambition. It seems culturally ingrained in the UK to tear down success rather than inspire success. The tax system incentivises low earnings and taxes are ideologically driven by the politics of envy.

So you get the likes of OP.

"taxes are ideologically driven by the politics of envy"
What a scary sentence for a human being to say

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Eddiestrangerthings · 12/02/2026 00:25

blueshoes · 11/02/2026 23:57

Totally agree. UK levies a tax on ambition. It seems culturally ingrained in the UK to tear down success rather than inspire success. The tax system incentivises low earnings and taxes are ideologically driven by the politics of envy.

So you get the likes of OP.

I think there's a lot of truth in what people are saying about the tax system feeling like it punishes you for trying to get ahead, especially if you're in that awkward £100k-ish bracket where everything gets clawed back. We've got friends who are doctors and they've literally turned down extra shifts because it just wasn't worth it after the tax hit it's mad when we're short of NHS staff anyway. And yeah, the freezes on thresholds mean more and more normal professionals are getting dragged into higher rates without actually feeling richer. But at the same time, I don't think it's all down to "envy" it's more about governments needing cash for everything and not wanting to cut services. Still, it does make you wonder if we're accidentally pushing ambitious people to leave or just coast a bit.

On the cultural side, I do notice that British thing of not liking people who bang on about their success like if someone posts about a big bonus or a fancy holiday, there's always comments pulling them down. It's not everyone, and London feels different, but growing up it was definitely "don't get ideas above your station". Compared to places like the Netherlands where I know people who moved for work, it seems more chilled about earning well as long as you're not flashy. But I don't think it's the main reason for tax gripes most complaints I see are about getting rubbish services for what we pay, not some deep-seated jealousy.

Upupandaway10 · 12/02/2026 01:04

tutuland · 10/02/2026 21:33

How is that fair? Employers get their cash from the paying public generally. Sure this is the current model of civilisation we have to live within- but how on earth is that fair.

I'd respect you lot if you said "I've learned to play the capitalism game really well and I want to enjoy my money. I don't want to think about other people and their needs".

It's the pretending that unpalatable.

Do you live in a capitalist country currently? Have you experienced a non capitalist country? If so how was it?

patooties · 12/02/2026 01:15

I’m a higher rate tax payer. I am cards in - no dodges here. I think it’s the right thing to do, and judge people who avoid it - whether it’s a cash in hand window cleaner or some weird dividend payments. I judge you - it might be legal - but it’s pretty shitty.

Truetoself · 12/02/2026 05:37

@Brunts12do you actually know any consultant nurses earning over £100k?

@tutulandcompletely agree about how society values eoles that generates money. It’s mainly the service sector that kept the world going during Covid but they are also the more poorly paid in comparison - doctor’s included

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 12/02/2026 07:09

LastMohecian · 11/02/2026 21:50

No, I’m resentful at the amount of tax people are forced to pay and who also loose access to some of the services they pay for. I’m also highlighting that the take home difference between minimum wage and a top 3% salary is actually quite small and pointing out that this will lead to more and more people opting for an attitude of ‘ why not relax and set your sights a bit lower’, unfortunately particularly young people. It’s not really a great attitude for a nation (or anyone really) for all sorts of reasons and a good example of why high disproportional taxes lead to low growth and will eventually result in actually less tax revenue.

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The difference isn’t small, it’s an extra £5.5k a month. The free childcare is time limited, that and your UC example is a minority of situations, especially over a lifetime.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 12/02/2026 07:11

NorthXNorthWest · 11/02/2026 22:24

It is not universally accepted - selective framing yet again.

As I have said, if you want to understand how progressive or regressive our tax system is you need to look at the big picture. Who pays in and who gets paid out. Not just one side.

If person pays 3k in VAT (lest assume this is a significant proportion of their earnings) but receives 10k in benefits. VAT is still regressive but their financial position is significantly healthier.

And again, the bulk of its tax revenue generated is through income tax, NI and Corp Tax which are Progressive.

That’s exactly what I’m doing. Looking at the bigger picture to explain that a much larger proportion of a low earners income is taxed compared to the income of a high earner.

LastMohecian · 12/02/2026 07:16

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 12/02/2026 07:09

The difference isn’t small, it’s an extra £5.5k a month. The free childcare is time limited, that and your UC example is a minority of situations, especially over a lifetime.

Everything is time limited. UC is not the minority of situations.

SheThinksShesAllThat · 12/02/2026 07:39

You lost me at ‘ whatever the numbers are’…. Go and do some research before posting silly comments like this!

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 12/02/2026 08:02

LastMohecian · 12/02/2026 07:16

Everything is time limited. UC is not the minority of situations.

That huge dip in earnings due to paying childcare costs is extremely time limited, and of course only relevant to people with young children. For most of their career they won’t have children in nursery so they will keep all of the extra £5.5k a month. They could afford to have a parent stay at home in that period on that salary.

Numbers of minimum wage earners claiming UC is a minority. The estimate is between 15 and 40%. Even with a £500 top up there is still a £5k difference in monthly earnings.

It’s wildly disingenuous to claim that the tax system is flattening take home incomes to the extent that there is little difference between a minimum wage worker and a worker on £126k.

PurpleVine · 12/02/2026 08:03

if op runs a fintech startup, then presumably op can control wages and is paying everyone the same from herself to the office cleaner. lead by example and all that.

LastMohecian · 12/02/2026 08:11

PurpleVine · 12/02/2026 08:03

if op runs a fintech startup, then presumably op can control wages and is paying everyone the same from herself to the office cleaner. lead by example and all that.

A bitcoin trading model really doesn’t qualify as Fintech start up, it’s basically a quarter of 20 year olds.

LastMohecian · 12/02/2026 08:22

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 12/02/2026 08:02

That huge dip in earnings due to paying childcare costs is extremely time limited, and of course only relevant to people with young children. For most of their career they won’t have children in nursery so they will keep all of the extra £5.5k a month. They could afford to have a parent stay at home in that period on that salary.

Numbers of minimum wage earners claiming UC is a minority. The estimate is between 15 and 40%. Even with a £500 top up there is still a £5k difference in monthly earnings.

It’s wildly disingenuous to claim that the tax system is flattening take home incomes to the extent that there is little difference between a minimum wage worker and a worker on £126k.

Do you think people are in top 3% of earners for their whole careers? Or is that also only for a limited time period?

I’ve explained to you three times how the tax and benefit system leads to little difference. Your answer of one parent staying at home to look after the children (explain how that increases tax revenue) is as an acknowledgement of this. So I’d say it’s not me being disingenuous. Why are you against high earners being restricted from the public services they fund?

LastMohecian · 12/02/2026 08:26

PurpleVine · 12/02/2026 08:03

if op runs a fintech startup, then presumably op can control wages and is paying everyone the same from herself to the office cleaner. lead by example and all that.

Fintech start up in this instance is a model for crypt0, it’s basically something every 20 something year old who watches tick tock a lot describes themselves as.

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