To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

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So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

They will still restrict hours so as not to be disproportionately taxed by HMRC.

Yeah that’s a ridiculous idea, I work in pharma, we make the medicine a nurse will administer so if we both need an appointment who gets it?

A lot of very wealthy people avoid paying tax though!how the tax system works boils my piss,the government think's you are wealthy when you earn 50k!

It was your money but you spent it.

I think people are just fed up with throwing money at things, but, then nothing seems to improve.

Just no. What about people who can't contribute enough in society's eyes due to illness and disability, either temporarily or permanently, and have either an acute or chronic need for these services?

Thankfully, medical care is given on the basis of need, long may it stay that way.

You need more people paying tax. (and less people taking out)

It’s a bit lofty to say you’ve created £2m wealth through your start of the chain outputs. Do you genuinely think none of the rest of the chain would exist, and produce, without you?

That’s actually very unlikely to be the case. Lower earners tend to spend most, if not all, of what they earn (on rent, bills, food, consumer goods) and tax is paid on all of that (VAT). In contrast, higher earners are more likely to save, taking advantage of ISAs, tax free pension funds, and earning interest on their savings. Proportionally they spend less on consumer goods, therefore paying less VAT and overall less tax (proportionally).

Not all of it no. Obviously something similar or lesser would still be procured by other means ( ie. Not through us) in atleast 50% of cases I reckon. But people here are complaining about big business siphoning off the money.

As a small company we procure and commission locally with other independents. And we design above and beyond imo. Our clients spend more through us than our local competitors. So I personally know all the pockets that runs though and yes I will proudly state we facilitated 2 mill of local gross product. As opposed even if it was 2 mill to big corps (which I don’t believe it would be); how much is that reaching the pockets of my fellow man.

Yes, but it’s easier to just to take from
the system and criticise those who prop it up as not doing enough. It’s not sustainable and there are some people who have been totally reliant on the system well into their 30s and 50s, when it has to come to an end how are they going to adjust?

I find it difficult to believe that all those people called you unreasonable. There's a lot of dumb, shitty people in the world.

Better off.

Yes, but where would high earners be without low earners?

And this is why economics ought to be mandatory learning at school.

1. public services in this country are fucked. Roads, schools, transport, the NHS… all fucked.
2. we need more money to fix it all.
3. we should take that money from the people who need it least/ have more of it.
4. that means billionaires, millionaires etc. Nobody needs a £billion - it’s just obscene. Take it and do some real good with it.

I run a fin tech startup. Got lucky as I was at the tail end of my generation that were exposed to skills before the boom. Which meant I was in a great position after uni to get my ideas funded. I also went to a uni that helped support setting up a business etc.

Whats your job?

You've spent a lot of time reading one of the cringiest threads from a bitter OP. What's cringy about it?

You've called me a dick for calling someone sweetie? Says more about you than me

Of course, because wealth taxes have worked so well elsewhere.

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/eu/wealth-tax-impact/

From my point of view, I am happy to pay more tax of it means public services improve, even those that don't benefit me. However, I have absolutely no faith in any politician to spend that money wisely, and THAT is what I object to.

Saying “it’s all the public’s money anyway” oversimplifies how value is created.

Customers choose to pay for goods and services. Entrepreneurs take risks, invest capital, employ people, and carry responsibility. That’s not just passively collecting from a shared pot.

And “high earners” isn’t just £400k executives. Higher-rate tax often starts around £50k — experienced professionals, business owners, and people taking on real responsibility.

This kind of thinking — that productive effort is somehow undeserved — is exactly why the economy stagnates. If risk-taking and growth are constantly criticized or penalized, fewer people will expand, hire, or innovate.

but the problem is only so many services are needed eg coffee shops etc then due to machines and ai and other improvements society only needs so many workers then how does society grow an economy etc

Practically speaking it isn’t really possible to take money from billionaires because they are so mobile. Same goes for slightly less rich hundreds-of-millions-aires. They can just leave the country. This is why Labour haven’t done it.

If you want to raise more taxes the only way to do it is to tax ordinary people more.

I think jobs should be advertised at their actual take home rate, post-tax, because if a job is say 200k some people seem to think they're being hard done by by paying tax and not getting all of it. Even though tax rates are public information and anyone should be able to calculate the actual post-tax pay.

Plus even if they pay a higher rate of tax, they are still in real terms earning MORE MONEY. It's just not enough for some people who just want more more more.

Reading some of your follow up posts your ideas sound quite Marxist, which some people will find hard to follow and others will just absolutely hate because many people love capitalism.