Lucy letby

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Do you think she did it ? Watched the documentary and I’m not sure she should have been convicted

And it is interesting because that cleared up quite a few things which people have said are normal. - ie. The nurse lead asterisk thing.

She clearly says she put asterisks to record certain collapses just for her own …. Couldn’t answer… finally says reflection

Surely ppl dont STILL think the McCanns killed their daughter?

How do you account for the babies who died from synthetic insulin?

The hospital is clearly at fault. The doctors were also negligent in their care. But her behaviour was utterly bizarre. She stole medical records. She wrote about her guilt in diaries and made little asterisks on dates when a baby died in her care. Her behaviour is that of a guilty person.

Because of all the various things involved in this case, e.g notes, what she wrote about herself etc etc , there are only 2 explanations.
Either she did it OR
She didnt do it but was compiling a jigsaw of information that she was working through in her own head to prove to herself that she didnt do it. And connected to this......
I sometimes wonder if she was actually just very incompitent and trying to prove to hersef that she wasnt by havong the notes, writing her thoughts , googling people etc

Those babies didn't die.

Keeping the handover sheets is odd but certainly not utterly bizarre.

She wrote a lot of thoughts that were all over the place and in the context of what she was accused of it's actually appropriate for the brain to have a bizarre response if she was wrongfully accused.

Why does an asterisk have to mean she harmed a baby? Why can't it mean we lost a baby today at work?

I cant help feeling that any of those things on its own might not add up to much, but all of it together just seems to me to be too much of a coincidence.

Reflection would be exactly what she was supposed to do as a nurse, so that sounds fine. You see it all over the documents and discussions that have come out at the Thirlwall Inquiry. Reflection is key to coping and improving.

I think that's close. She said that she spent a lot of time trying to work out whether she could have done it, through errors or incompetence. She was taken off the ward, she was hearing about doctors joking about Nurse Death, and (if she was innocent) she didn't know how those babies had died. So it would make sense that she would try to work through it all.

I think it's helpful to think of this in terms of gaslighting, being told you're a serial killer and harmed babies might not be intentional gaslighting but the effect on the person can be the exact same and can make you doubt your own memory, reality and perceptions.

I'm fairly sure this is a common phenomenon among the wrongfully accused.

Interesting related articles here
https://www.science.org/content/article/psychologist-explains-why-people-confess-crimes-they-didn-t-commit#:~:text=He%20and%20social%20psychologist%20Richard,confident%20at%20the%20same%20time.%22

https://www.fresnocriminalattorney.com/people-may-convinced-plead-guilty-crimes-didnt-commit/#:~:text=Blog-,People%20May%20Be%20Convinced%20to%20Plead,Crimes%20They%20Didn't%20Commit&text=There%20is%20a%20common%20misconception,part%20of%20a%20criminal%20investigation.

Currently I'm making several complaints about a public body to certain places. Now I know for a fact that they did not follow procedure and legislation, I have a written evidence that shows this. However at times when I have been putting together these complaints I have had serious doubts that maybe they did handle it perfectly and I'm way off, I know it's not true, I have so much evidence but it's because the public body are so confidently insisting they did nothing wrong even though I have proof that they did...it fucks with the mind when you have people denying your reality so strongly.

Yes. And yet there's a bit of me that still thinks there are just too many things for it all to be a coincidence. You might expect more bits of paper with theories written down. or notes with lines drawn to link up incidents, or some kind of notes indicating that she was actually piecing information together and working stuff out. The diary writings seem quite bizarre and could indicate a disordered mind which is psychopathic just as much as a disordered mind through stress. It's hard to know for sure...which of course is the baffling problem.

Why does an asterisk have to mean she harmed a baby? Why can't it mean we lost a baby today at work?

Because it's in code and like she's trying to hide it?

What was the code?

From the link the other poster shared I believe it said L.D which they tried to claim was a code but other nurses have said it means long day.

And then it just had the babies initials with an asterisks?

I get what you mean because to some extent reality is created out of the various perceptions iof different people rather than some kind of objective ' truth' that is clear to all. And particularly the reality of behaviour as opposed to more concrete facts.

I mean the asterisk itself is like a code-in that none of us know what she meant by it.

And then it just had the babies initials with an asterisks?

That's quite concerning is it not?! And it seems like a complete downplaying of the deaths by her. Like an asterisk would usually be something you'd use for I don't know, laundry day or something mundane like that. Not the literal death of babies.

So does anyone know if these asterisks were all written on around the same time or were they written over a period of time. What were they written on ? Were they written as if she was trying to work something out in the same ink as if she was working out a pattern, or were they written over a period of time as she was bringing notes home as if she was marking off each death?? Would something like that be a clue ?

I think people would normally use ticks on a to-do list for laundry etc. or cross the things out, not an asterisks because ticks and crossing out are quick and something that feels satisfying to do.

Personally I've used asterisks recently on the complaints I've mentioned when I was trying to draw attention to where a new email started. In my own journal I put an asterisks beside important things I want to do that week, again it draws the eye and signals it's important.

I don't do work that requires me to reflect but considering I use asterisks to draw the eye and to show importance on the page I would probably also use asterisks too if I was going to be reflecting.

They were in a diary/organiser.
Only a couple of pages seem to have been released so I think it's impossible to see any patterns.
You can see the pages here. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12435997/Lucy-Letby-used-secret-code-diary.html

Weird - I'm not seeing any asterisks

Yes they may be hidden where they put Baby O to cover the initials.

However if you look at the second note are they not asterisks there also? not 100% what it says but it looks like Order prescription

ETA: Sorry, when I added the asterisks it bolded the words instead, but they look like asterisks

But he showed her evidence of her active social life, which means she wasn’t cut off.

If you look at her defence cross examination, which came first, she never claimed not to have a social life or to see people. She explained that she was advised not to speak to most people about the circumstances of her suspension, and that she felt cut off from the support system on the ward.

The prosecution lawyer bringing her social life into it really isn't relevant. But that was his tactic - to ignore what she had actually said and accuse her of lying.

That doesn't mean she didn't feel cut off or lonely. I'm sure anyone would in that situation, not allowed to do your job and missing your old life.
She said * *We were a good nursing team on the unit and I’d just lost that. We were like a little family and I felt I’d lost that.

Totally agree with @Muffinmam

Whether the babies died from insulin in the TPN bag is not actually relevant. NO ONE would have done that 'accidently'. She was trying different methods.

Of course she is guilty. Not one shred of a doubt.

I've worked as a nurse in 3 different ICUs with a lot of other people (ie nurses and doctors). Taking over 200 patient notes/details home, and putting them in chronological order is not just weird. It is ILLEGAL.

No person I have ever worked with would have done this. As it is illegal, and quite frankly bonkers. She did not have a plausible reason for doing this.

We don't actually know the order of the handover sheets.

Netflix implied they were all in chronological order in the box marked keep, but there was only 5 in that box and they weren't even related to the babies in the case.

I believe the others were found in different bags (at least 2, maybe someone can confirm?) and there was some related to the babies in each, so there doesn't appear to be any real organisation going on with them.

This is madness.

People think she must be guilty because hand over sheets, facebook searches, upset notes as she has a mental breakdown, getting confused and not remembering things under police questioning and under hostile interogation by a barrister.....

This apparently paints a compelling portrait of a serial killer? It's just so much evidence it all adds up?

There is no proper evidence in this case at all. No evidence babies were killed and no evidence she killed them.

The reason you are debating these trivalities is exactly because of the lack of evidence.

You had all better hope you aren't falsely accused of a crime under our present system. Because after a trawl of your phone and home I reckon 99% of us could be made to look worse than they made Lucy look.

They would probably start with XXX had a morbid fascination with death and serial killers and in Feb 2026 she made over 22 posts on mumsnet and 14 on Reddit about the case of Lucy Letby......

Barrister: I put to you that you were inspired by the fact she went undetected for so long. You discussed her methods of murder as research for your own henious crimes.
XXX: No thats not true at all. I was just interested in the case as I am also a nurse

Daily Mail - Evil Queen of Death XXX inspired by Letby's shocking crimes