Lucy letby

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Do you think she did it ? Watched the documentary and I’m not sure she should have been convicted

Assuming she didn't have permission to do so, she shouldn't have brought the notes home. I'm fine with that.

But they were 257 sets of notes over six years, with 21 mentioning children on the indictment. It's hard to attach any significance to them.

I would like to answer you but aware there will be police observing these threads. Yes you are correct but still it happened & to say that it didn’t is an untruth, You are telling me you have never taken anything home that could be seen as breach of GDPR? Even if a mistake? Or are you a complete saint? There are other reasons for taking paperwork home, especially if you have been targeted by 2 or more senior Doctors who were openly calling her nurse death but wanted her to resign or be sacked. Have a think about that how was she trying to protect herself?

Why will police be observing these threads?

I haven’t seen anyone minimise the taking home of handover notes as such. What they are doing is pointing out that whilst taking home notes might be a disciplinary breach, it doesn’t warrant life in prison. And in the circumstances, I.e. that only a tiny fraction related to babies she was accused of harming, they were not curated as has been claimed, they were stuffed in bags, and therefore they don’t add anything in support of her being a murderer.

It’s not minimising, it is pointing out that it is common and has no relevance to whether she murdered anyone

The comments about the shredder are equally as irrelevant - if innocent, I would still expect that she was panicking about being accused of taking home handover sheets and when asked years later, might not have remembered or might even have lied as was in a panic - but this is not evidence of murdering anyone!

The prosecution have been found to have lied, the police have been found to have lied, Dewi Evans has been found to have lied and the doctors on the ward have also lied - none of this is evidence that they murdered anyone

And if anything like my shredder, I used it once and it jammed and I have never been able to get it to work again :(

Don’t know about observing the threads, I’ve got a strong sense they’re spamming them.

All the threads or ones about LL only?

Nobody has said it’s right, but it is what happens, frequently. Therefore you can’t say that Letby is a massive outlier.

Why would they do that? The police won't be interested in what a load of armchair detectives are saying, and they have no reason to stir up people who've disagreed with their findings. The opinions on here aren't important to anyone.

Exactly - and it isn’t illegal and can be necessary for many areas of clinical work. Once taken home, are you better off leaving at home until shredded (where it will be relatively secure) or travelling with the sheets back to work again?

From a data security perspective, it is the travel that is the biggest issue

There's certainly a number of contributors with as poor a grasp on statistics as the police were told they had - by the expert on statistics, who they promptly sacked to make sure they couldn't be shown how their statistics failed.

Omg how judgemental and superior you are!

it’s a chatty thread on mumsnet - we don’t need qualifications to take part

The messages in the box , there were 5 no of them related to babies in this case the rest were either in a carrier bag or black bag.
how do we know it was her shedder? Wasn’t this in her parents house?
I have no idea why she googled anyone if this was nefarious surely she would delete her history?
think they asking these questions about 3 years prior, you think you would know after being arrested what you were doing at work 3 yrs ago?
found from Google Over 66% of babies born at 24 weeks in NICUs survive to go home, rising to 98% by 30 weeks.
they were taking on very premature babies that the unit were not covered to take the staffing levels are for that level of care.The staffing levels never changed.
While it previously provided care from 27 weeks, it currently operates as a 32-week+ unit, according to the North West Neonatal Operational Delivery Network.
The insulin tests have been shown to show the tests used should not have been used in this case. Think I saw an actual form with red print saying not to be used in forensic analysis. Have a look at Lucy letby analysis on YT they got through the actual medical evidence very closely, & not finding her guilty because she cuddled her cat, & was white blonde & anything else about how she looked. Hope that helps.

Rather not say.

I’m intrigued…

👋 hello police if your out there

The shredder she lied about was found in her home.

Nobody knows if she deleted her searches, it hasn’t been reported. But even if she had the police would have found the searches.

I think her conviction was unsafe. She may well be guilty, though I don’t think the evidence was great enough to prove that guilt. A lot of circumstantial evidence. A cliquey team. Police taking things slightly out of context. That roster diagram.

I work seven shifts in a row with two or three days off so that’s a 70% presence rate.give or take. Therefore when something happens I am very likely to be at work when it does. I’m no statistician but I don’t see how that particular diagram was supposed to prove anything.

Maybe after 30 hrs of questioning she forgot, maybe it didn’t work. Not sure what you are trying to prove. Wasn’t this same as she lied about being arrested in her pj’s now from Netflix we that wasn’t a lie was it?
what does searching on FB have to do with anything, ask my 82yr old mom she searches for everyone on FB, is she a serial killer? Not sure these questions are relevant.

Is not remembering or even lying about whether you have a shredder, a sign of being a murderer?

Does that make the prosecuting barrister a murderer, as that was definitely a big lie he told in court

What did he say?

Presumably if they’d found any incriminating searches they’d have used them in evidence instead of relying on irrelevant handover notes they’ve had to lie about to make their narrative more compelling.

Your citing it out of context

it’s suspicious and worth noting - if they missed it there would be complaints!

100%. I told someone today I dont have a printer so could not print something out for them. If the police raid my house tonight they will find that factually untrue - I do have a printer. However, it does not work and so I cannot use it - its easier to say I dont have one than explain the whole thing. Unless the shredder was tested, or she was asked to explain that, its a piece of evidence that is of questionable value.

So if you were being investigated for murder and the police wanted to work out if you could print records at home and questioned you about your printer would you be as blase?

I would bet my life not