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Lucy letby

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bloomingbonkerz · 08/02/2026 15:58

Do you think she did it ? Watched the documentary and I’m not sure she should have been convicted

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2021x · 09/02/2026 08:19

Thanks for helping me process some of my thought.

I will have to find that review of the ward and the standards of practice for the neonates. If it is true that the doctors only rounded twice a week on a neonate ward with ventilated patients - and then accused a nurse of murder that may go some way to explaining why I feel that this trial was not sufficient.

genesis92 · 09/02/2026 08:20

aneelli · 08/02/2026 16:39

I believe she is guilty. It’s only bc she’s white British English that ppl don’t want to believe it now. If she was anything else, the comment here would be so different

Yawn

Iris2020 · 09/02/2026 08:21

I think she probably did it and wish she take a polygraph. Done by specialists they are car more reliable than we've long been led to believe.

kkloo · 09/02/2026 08:24

2021x · 09/02/2026 08:19

Thanks for helping me process some of my thought.

I will have to find that review of the ward and the standards of practice for the neonates. If it is true that the doctors only rounded twice a week on a neonate ward with ventilated patients - and then accused a nurse of murder that may go some way to explaining why I feel that this trial was not sufficient.

It's definitely true. You can get a quick glimpse here under the 'understaffed' and 'nurses' sections.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/24/lucy-letby-inquiry-character-missed-opportunities-staff-shortages

What we’ve learned so far from the Lucy Letby inquiry: ‘cold’ character, missed opportunities and staff shortages

The Thirlwall inquiry has uncovered new details about Letby and the neonatal unit on which she worked

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/24/lucy-letby-inquiry-character-missed-opportunities-staff-shortages

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/02/2026 08:25

2021x · 09/02/2026 08:19

Thanks for helping me process some of my thought.

I will have to find that review of the ward and the standards of practice for the neonates. If it is true that the doctors only rounded twice a week on a neonate ward with ventilated patients - and then accused a nurse of murder that may go some way to explaining why I feel that this trial was not sufficient.

The two ward rounds was mentioned on a BBC radio 4 documentary about the case some time ago. They had an Addenbrokes neonatologist on who said he was horrified as in his hospital it would be three a day.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 09/02/2026 08:39

The question of whether she was hoping to whistleblow or expose failings on the unit is an interesting one.

Hypothetically it sounds like a perfect defence, especially if there was anything significant on thise handover sheets as "proof".

However, based on personal experience, it's a very difficult thing to prove, and her defence team might have reasoned thus:

"You are a young and relatively inexperienced nurse. You are trying to build a case against experienced consultants and an NHS trust. They are bigger than you, with almost limitless resources. You have a bunch of handover notes that you shouldn't have. You had a grievance upheld, and they've already doubled down. The crimes you are being accused of are the most heinous nature, extremely emotive, and most people, such as those on a jury, will balk at the idea that such accusations would be made without good and honest reason. If you persist in going this route, your mental health will become the focus of the case, and the real issues will be buried. Based on our experience, the route to go is to maintain your innocence, keep your mouth shut, and the lack of evidence should speak for itself when analysed in a court room setting. From here, anything you do or say will be used against you, and framed as a desperate attempt to get out of charges that you have, in essence, already been found guilty of in the media and the court of public opinion."

Bear in mind there was an embargo on other staff being allowed to talk with her, and an implication of negative consequences if they did, plus laws about discussing an ongoing case that apply publicly and privately.

These situations are nothing like the portrayal of such cases in TV dramas. While we all think we would like to be heros and sacrifice ourselves on principle , when it comes down to it, if our security is under threat, would we? Imagine if a police officer, alone with a suspect, insinuated that if they didn't "co-operate" that dubious material might be found on a laptop or phone, either theirs or a loved ones. Or that the financial authorities might get very interested in a family business. Sounds ridiculous of course, but intimidation is a tool in the authority's box, and if you had no proof of the exchange and nobody believes you anyway, because you are the worst kind of human, a baby killer, where does that leave you?

We have no idea of what life was like for Lucy Letby between her first arrest and her conviction, but we can be sure the psychological toll was huge, hence her zombie like presentation and alleged defensive demeanour in court.

Those who believe in her guilt, despite the huge flaws highlighted in the medical evidence and the case as a whole, willcsay it's no less than she deserves. However, if she is innocent, the horror is incalculable, and not jyst for her, for the bereaved parents. It is Kafakesque on an unfathomable scale.

PhilosophicalCheeseSandwich · 09/02/2026 08:41

Catpuss66 · 08/02/2026 23:09

You are making shit up now who fantasised about being a murderer? Source please

I'm referring to her hand written notes saying things like 'I am evil I did this' and 'I killed them on purpose'.

What she wrote might not be true. But I think most people wouldn't allow themselves to have such imaginings subconsciously, let alone record them in a durable format.

Oftenaddled · 09/02/2026 08:44

2021x · 09/02/2026 08:19

Thanks for helping me process some of my thought.

I will have to find that review of the ward and the standards of practice for the neonates. If it is true that the doctors only rounded twice a week on a neonate ward with ventilated patients - and then accused a nurse of murder that may go some way to explaining why I feel that this trial was not sufficient.

Here is a copy of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Children's Health review, 2016.

https://pdf4pro.com/cdn/www-coch-nhs-uk-7537c.pdf

The two consultant rounds a week is confirmed on pages 10 and 11

hyggetyggedotorg · 09/02/2026 08:44

Like others, I don’t know if she is guilty - or even partly guilty - but I would like her to have a fair trial with all of the evidence presented for both prosecution & defence.

Also, if you are only looked into unexpected collapses/deaths whilst one person is on duty, then of course the rota sheet showing that one person on duty for each one is going to look condemning! There were apparently other similar instances not included in the investigation when LL was not on duty!

Oftenaddled · 09/02/2026 08:46

PhilosophicalCheeseSandwich · 09/02/2026 08:41

I'm referring to her hand written notes saying things like 'I am evil I did this' and 'I killed them on purpose'.

What she wrote might not be true. But I think most people wouldn't allow themselves to have such imaginings subconsciously, let alone record them in a durable format.

When you have intrusive thoughts, it's not a matter of "allowing" them - or at least not without extensive training in managing them. And part of that training involves managing them by writing them down

LostFuse · 09/02/2026 08:59

I couldn't see anyone on this thread mention the raw sewage on the unit.
The podcast series "We need to talk about Lucy Letby" is well worth a listen, along with the follow up "The other side of Lucy Letby".
I think there are grounds for a retrial.

zingally · 09/02/2026 10:00

I followed the case long before it hit mainstream media in any major way.

I agree that a lot of the evidence is rather circumstantial. But when it's all piled together... I believe she did it.

Iamateadrinker · 09/02/2026 10:08

@zingally
I haven't followed the case since the beginning so am very interested in your opinion as well as others who are sure of her guilt
But my question is " did what?"
The original pathologists found no sign of murder, not did the panel of world renowned experts.
So what did she do?
Genuine question, not being snarky

TakeALookAtTheseSwatches · 09/02/2026 10:17

PhilosophicalCheeseSandwich · 09/02/2026 08:41

I'm referring to her hand written notes saying things like 'I am evil I did this' and 'I killed them on purpose'.

What she wrote might not be true. But I think most people wouldn't allow themselves to have such imaginings subconsciously, let alone record them in a durable format.

Maybe you would if you had been implicated in the deaths of several tiny babies....

TakeALookAtTheseSwatches · 09/02/2026 10:22

Oftenaddled · 09/02/2026 08:44

Here is a copy of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Children's Health review, 2016.

https://pdf4pro.com/cdn/www-coch-nhs-uk-7537c.pdf

The two consultant rounds a week is confirmed on pages 10 and 11

Having been in a several different children's wards with my daughter I've never known doctors rounds to be any less than once a day, that's even on the small local wards where kids aren't seriously ill like the babies in NICU. The fact they only came round twice a week is absolutely insane and totally inadequate.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 09/02/2026 10:25

I originally did think she was guilty but not now. I think she was a scapegoat of the NHS. Whether this means a retrial or not I don’t know.

TallulahBetty · 09/02/2026 10:29

Yes, I do. Too much of a coincidence.

TallulahBetty · 09/02/2026 10:30

TakeALookAtTheseSwatches · 09/02/2026 10:17

Maybe you would if you had been implicated in the deaths of several tiny babies....

Why would anyone write that if not guilty?

Avelin · 09/02/2026 10:31

Personally, I believe Lucy Letby is guilty. There may be no definitive smoking gun but circumstantial evidence is still evidence.

That said, it’s troubling that a conviction was secured given the high burden of proof required in the UK. Juries are instructed that they must be “sure” and I’m not convinced that standard was genuinely met in this case. We should all be concerned about that.

TakeALookAtTheseSwatches · 09/02/2026 10:35

TallulahBetty · 09/02/2026 10:30

Why would anyone write that if not guilty?

Because that's the way she was made to feel, that's what other people were saying about her and she was worrying she'd somehow caused their deaths by not being good enough. I think if people were accusing you of that it would be totally natural for it to eat away at you.

Also why would she write that she's innocent and hasn't done anything wrong if she's guilty?

LostFuse · 09/02/2026 10:42

TallulahBetty · 09/02/2026 10:30

Why would anyone write that if not guilty?

Decoding Lucy Letby's Post It Notes: A Psychotherapist's Perspective
While much ink has been spilt on Letby's post-it notes, this well-referenced video stands out as it provides a professional insight into these notes, strictly from the perspective of psychological therapy without speculative diagnoses.
Points discussed:
The post-it notes were written by Lucy Letby following advice from her counselor, during a period when she was distressed, anxious, and isolated after being suspended from duty.
The video clarifies that writing down distressing thoughts, even those not based on real events, is indeed an established therapeutic practice. This therapeutic technique is validated by evidence-based resources and is not considered pseudoscience.

‘I am evil I did this’: Lucy Letby’s so-called confessions were written on advice of counsellors

Prosecutors used densely written Post-its to build case against nurse, but she was told to write down her feelings to cope with extreme stress, sources say

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

HeartyBlueRobin · 09/02/2026 10:43

Catpuss66 · 09/02/2026 02:00

Have you actually read the thread? Your points have been answered numerous times but I will answer them again.

would you know if your parents have paper shedder she wasn’t in her house she was in their house.

the notes were kept in plastic bags under her bed & in a black bag not sure how you think they would be in chronological order. The ones in the box all 5 of them did not relate to any of the babies she was accused of hurting. They were probably kept for statement writing.

I think you should do bit more research based on more of facts rather than made up info from the daily mail. There are numerous resources to help.

A shredder was found in her own home in Chester.

The Netflix documentary specifically said some of the handover sheets were in chronological order

LostFuse · 09/02/2026 10:48

TallulahBetty · 09/02/2026 10:30

Why would anyone write that if not guilty?

and..........

Journalling, or writing down disturbing thoughts, is encouraged in general psychotherapy, according to Richard Curen, the chair of the Forensic Psychotherapy Society, who has worked as an expert witness and with victims and offenders for 25 years. “Doodling, journalling is a way of taking control of your thoughts. I don’t think it relates to a confession of any kind,” he said.
He added that Letby’s response on the notes in court was “robust, and seems right – she wrote down how she was being made to feel”.
“It’s useful to put words on paper to short-circuit overthinking when there’s a whirlpool of really confusing and disturbing thoughts going round and round in your head,” he said. “Once they are externalised you can maybe put them to one side and carry on with what needs your attention.”

In the same notes, Letby also said: “Not good enough”, “Why me?”, “I haven’t done anything wrong”, “Police investigation slander discrimination victimisation”.
Now widely referred to in the media as the confession notes, they were written after some of her colleagues started suspecting her and* *also referenced her family and pets, colleagues at work, and described repeated suicidal thoughts: “Kill myself right now”, “help”, “despair panic fear lost”, “I feel very alone and scared”.

TakeALookAtTheseSwatches · 09/02/2026 10:48

I do wonder if that box labelled "keep" had other paperwork in it too or literally just 5 handover sheets. If it was a box full of paperwork and 5 of them happened to be handover sheets which don't relate to the babies in the case then that really does weaken the impact of that piece of "evidence"

WonkyConk · 09/02/2026 11:03

I watched the documentary and honestly have no idea whether she’s guilty or not, but I don’t think there was enough evidence for a conviction.

Her life is ruined either way now, even if she’s released she’ll be hated and a target for those who think she is guilty. I’m sure they could give her a new identity but everyone knows her face. And obviously her career is gone. If she is innocent, that’s a tragedy.

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