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Time for Women with Talent to Take Back Older Female Roles in Pantos

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SpringTimeIsRingTime · 08/02/2026 15:31

Panto Dames have been a thing since 1806 when a certain Mr Simmons decided to play Mother Goose as a Witch (how original) rather than as a caring grandmother figure. Nowadays panto dames are mainly played by gay men in drag.

I think it's time for talented actresses to take back elder female roles from the tired tropes played by men since the Victorian era.

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Lobbygobbler · 09/02/2026 09:48

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 09/02/2026 09:25

I am interested. Where can I see what roles you've played in the industry?

Goodness me.

5128gap · 09/02/2026 09:53

I think I'd rather see a grotesque, slightly sinister parody of an older woman delivered by a man, than have women lending it legitimacy tbh.

lunarpossum · 09/02/2026 09:55

Just chiming in as someone who works in theatre and pantomime.
I've no problems with the Dame being played by a man, as is tradition.

However - the other traditional gender swapped roles are changing - it's very rarely a woman as the principal boy anymore. In theatre in general, lots of the roles that were there for older women are now being taken by men also - i.e Miss Hannigan in Annie, and other roles are now being cast with gender blindness, such as Audrey in Little Shop of Horrors.
I think theatre in general does need to pay a bit more mind to not just providing 'jobs for the boys' - the Palladium Panto has had a token woman past few shows but their main, repeating lineup is overwhelmingly all men.

There's a balance to be had - I don't agree with all the exclusionary hoo-ha surrounding the trans casting in Six on Broadway, but I do think older womens place in theatre does need to be protected as well, as there are already so few roles for them. And in particular juicy character roles like Miss Hannigan!

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 09/02/2026 10:07

Lobbygobbler · 09/02/2026 09:48

Goodness me.

I'd just like to know whether you are talking from a position within the industry or outside it. It's amazing how often I've been told XYZ by people on assorted forums from outside the industry who think they have more knowledge than those that have worked in it almost their entire life.

Carla786 · 09/02/2026 10:13

lunarpossum · 09/02/2026 09:55

Just chiming in as someone who works in theatre and pantomime.
I've no problems with the Dame being played by a man, as is tradition.

However - the other traditional gender swapped roles are changing - it's very rarely a woman as the principal boy anymore. In theatre in general, lots of the roles that were there for older women are now being taken by men also - i.e Miss Hannigan in Annie, and other roles are now being cast with gender blindness, such as Audrey in Little Shop of Horrors.
I think theatre in general does need to pay a bit more mind to not just providing 'jobs for the boys' - the Palladium Panto has had a token woman past few shows but their main, repeating lineup is overwhelmingly all men.

There's a balance to be had - I don't agree with all the exclusionary hoo-ha surrounding the trans casting in Six on Broadway, but I do think older womens place in theatre does need to be protected as well, as there are already so few roles for them. And in particular juicy character roles like Miss Hannigan!

Great post!

Why is Audrey suddenly being cast with gender blindness? Is there a particular reason?

Lobbygobbler · 09/02/2026 10:15

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 09/02/2026 10:07

I'd just like to know whether you are talking from a position within the industry or outside it. It's amazing how often I've been told XYZ by people on assorted forums from outside the industry who think they have more knowledge than those that have worked in it almost their entire life.

I’ll DM you.

GreenIsTheColourOfMyHoliday · 09/02/2026 10:51

Lobbygobbler · 09/02/2026 09:13

have a look for yourself if you are interested.

"I'm going to ignore your experience and quote facts but I won't share these facts with you" is not the way to go about things

GreenIsTheColourOfMyHoliday · 09/02/2026 10:58

Carla786 · 09/02/2026 10:13

Great post!

Why is Audrey suddenly being cast with gender blindness? Is there a particular reason?

By "gender blindness" they mean 1 drag queen played Audrey as far as I can tell

And with regards Miss Hannigan, CRH and La Voix are the only notable "men" playing the role that I can see, if you Google who's played here it is overwhelming women

Lobbygobbler · 09/02/2026 11:00

GreenIsTheColourOfMyHoliday · 09/02/2026 10:51

"I'm going to ignore your experience and quote facts but I won't share these facts with you" is not the way to go about things

I don’t like the your tone to be honest. It’s rude. The West End world of musicals is obviously doing OK which is wonderful. However straight drama is struggling and that is an unequivocal fact. New writing is down, dark weeks are up, revenue is shaky. Representation of women, working class creatives and black and Asian writers is awful. I think the latest issue of The Stage talks about the worries smaller London venues have. If you want statistics about 40% worry about their future. That’s dire in my view.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 09/02/2026 11:17

The Widow Twanky etc. bloke in drag is a fun part of a traditional panto.

lunarpossum · 09/02/2026 12:47

GreenIsTheColourOfMyHoliday · 09/02/2026 10:58

By "gender blindness" they mean 1 drag queen played Audrey as far as I can tell

And with regards Miss Hannigan, CRH and La Voix are the only notable "men" playing the role that I can see, if you Google who's played here it is overwhelming women

Correct, Audrey was used as an avenue for Jinkx Monsoon - who's a drag performer but also trans.
It's easy to be dismissive that just a few men have played older womens roles, but it is a new trend and gradually more and more of these roles are being taken up - Stephen Fry just played Lady Bracknell in The Importance of Being Earnest.
Do I have a problem with it? Nah, but I am cautious of a precedence being set when there are already so few roles for older women. As I said before, there's a balance to be found.
The reverse isn't seen where male roles are being converted for female performers - or at least I can't think of any off the top of my head. Happy to stand corrected.
The Emcee in Cabaret could be gender-neutral and has probably been played by women before, but I can only think of the male star names.

Of course, where the professionals lead, amateurs follow. I see a lot of community theatre and it's all to often that older female cast members are relegated to the chorus at the back of the stage, with few shows offering potentially principal (or even just named, speaking roles) for them. Producers will follow what they've seen on the West End, or Broadway, and will follow similar casting choices. Women outnumber men significantly in amateur theatre, however a male society member is much more likely to be granted a significant role within any show. I have seen lots of little girls play Oliver or the Artful Dodger though!

I am trying to offer a balanced summary here, driven from experience working within this industry. I thought Jak Malone's performance of Hester Leggatt in 'Operation Mincemeat' superb and very emotionally sensitive. There wasn't a dry eye in the house. I've not seen 'Oh, Mary!' yet which I believe has a trans performer playing a female character.

In a nutshell - yes there is more men starting to play older womens roles in theatre, is this a bad thing? No, but producers need to be careful that older woman aren't completely removed from theatre and there needs to be recognition that actually there are so few roles for older women. Representation matters for a part of society that starts to be/feel invisible anyway.
I think the problem is more dominant in panto lineups - you only need to look at the Crossroads Panto's across the country, Palladium included, to see they have their regulars and they're nearly all male. Even with female named character panto's (Snow White, Goldilocks etc) the female part is often relegated to the third row on the poster, beneath the male stars.

Jinkx Monsoon's casting as Audrey was thought to add a bit of nuance to the role in terms of the domestic abuse inflicted by the Dentist on what would be a trans character for that rendition. I would like to see that nuance explored in the other direction too - traditionally male, and particularly villainous parts being played by women, or femme actors. I'm all for gender blind casting, but theatre needs to keep it up across all genders and see how it can experiment and shift perceptions and responses to those characters and storylines.

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 09/02/2026 13:02

The reverse isn't seen where male roles are being converted for female performers - or at least I can't think of any off the top of my head. Happy to stand corrected.

I mentioned two earlier. Michelle Terry (artistic director The Globe) played Richard III last year and previously played Hamlet. Glenda Jackson played King Lear a few years back.

Fiona Shaw played Richard II in 1995. Sarah Snook did her one-performer Dorian Gray last year. Cynthia Erivo is about to do her one-performer Dracula. There are more than people think. The RSC is regularly giving male roles to women.

It also dates back further than you might realise. Sarah Bernhardt played Hamlet in the late 1800s. There are several 'trouser roles' in opera and operetta, such as Count Orlofsky in Die Fledermaus.

In the amateur world, I have seen women play men's roles quite often, especially in Shakespeare. However with modern plays to do so requires permission from the rightsholders which is often not forthcoming.

Stephen Fry's recent Lady Bracknell is not the first time that's happened but bearing in mind the subtext of the play, and people pretending to be someone else, it seems to me to be dramatically defensible.

Ricecrispiesatsix · 09/02/2026 13:22

lunarpossum · 09/02/2026 12:47

Correct, Audrey was used as an avenue for Jinkx Monsoon - who's a drag performer but also trans.
It's easy to be dismissive that just a few men have played older womens roles, but it is a new trend and gradually more and more of these roles are being taken up - Stephen Fry just played Lady Bracknell in The Importance of Being Earnest.
Do I have a problem with it? Nah, but I am cautious of a precedence being set when there are already so few roles for older women. As I said before, there's a balance to be found.
The reverse isn't seen where male roles are being converted for female performers - or at least I can't think of any off the top of my head. Happy to stand corrected.
The Emcee in Cabaret could be gender-neutral and has probably been played by women before, but I can only think of the male star names.

Of course, where the professionals lead, amateurs follow. I see a lot of community theatre and it's all to often that older female cast members are relegated to the chorus at the back of the stage, with few shows offering potentially principal (or even just named, speaking roles) for them. Producers will follow what they've seen on the West End, or Broadway, and will follow similar casting choices. Women outnumber men significantly in amateur theatre, however a male society member is much more likely to be granted a significant role within any show. I have seen lots of little girls play Oliver or the Artful Dodger though!

I am trying to offer a balanced summary here, driven from experience working within this industry. I thought Jak Malone's performance of Hester Leggatt in 'Operation Mincemeat' superb and very emotionally sensitive. There wasn't a dry eye in the house. I've not seen 'Oh, Mary!' yet which I believe has a trans performer playing a female character.

In a nutshell - yes there is more men starting to play older womens roles in theatre, is this a bad thing? No, but producers need to be careful that older woman aren't completely removed from theatre and there needs to be recognition that actually there are so few roles for older women. Representation matters for a part of society that starts to be/feel invisible anyway.
I think the problem is more dominant in panto lineups - you only need to look at the Crossroads Panto's across the country, Palladium included, to see they have their regulars and they're nearly all male. Even with female named character panto's (Snow White, Goldilocks etc) the female part is often relegated to the third row on the poster, beneath the male stars.

Jinkx Monsoon's casting as Audrey was thought to add a bit of nuance to the role in terms of the domestic abuse inflicted by the Dentist on what would be a trans character for that rendition. I would like to see that nuance explored in the other direction too - traditionally male, and particularly villainous parts being played by women, or femme actors. I'm all for gender blind casting, but theatre needs to keep it up across all genders and see how it can experiment and shift perceptions and responses to those characters and storylines.

Agree that Jak Malone as Hester in Operation Mincemeat was spectacular and sensitively played. What I loved about Operation Mincemeat though was the portrayal of male characters by women - it gave it some balance and the women were fantastic (in particular Natasha Hodgson who played Montague - perfection).

I’m in an am dram group and the lack of female characters is really frustrating. We get round it by casting women in male roles but it’s difficult for women to sing songs written for male voices unless they have an unusually low voice - and you can’t easily transcribe songs with ensemble singing.

WearyAuldWumman · 09/02/2026 13:28

5128gap · 09/02/2026 09:53

I think I'd rather see a grotesque, slightly sinister parody of an older woman delivered by a man, than have women lending it legitimacy tbh.

I don't recall any of the Scottish dames being 'sinister' to be fair. Usually they and the role of their son or sidekick is there to be laughed at, however.

Thnking about it, I'd have to agree that they were sometimes grotesque, but there was never any indication that they were malevolent. As opposed, for example, to the Wicked Queen character played by Gerda Stevenson in the Stirling panto where Una Mclean played the Dame. I've just done a quick Google and it looks like Una Mclean started out playing principal boys. After playing the Dame at Stirling, she played the sidekick to Jimmy Logan's Dame in Edinburgh.

Presumably, Logan (a Scottish entertainer who normally played male roles outside panto) was seen as the bigger draw. He came from a well-known family of Scottish entertainers. His sister was the jazz singer Annie Ross.

I don't recall drag queens taking on the dame role up in Scotland, but I suppose that it might have happened more recently. One of the best was Stanley Baxter. I don't think he referred to himself as a drag queen - rather he talked of being a female impersonator when required.

Rikki Fulton did play the Dame in panto but I only ever recall seeing him playing male characters otherwise, mainly in comedy. He was open about the fact that he only did panto for the money, but was deemed to be one of the best in Scotland.

I'd say that one of the differences in Scotland (in the '70s and '80s at least) was that the Dame and her sidekicks would often speak Scots rather than the Standard English spoken by other characters, so a working-class audience would be more likely to empathise with them.

5128gap · 09/02/2026 13:42

WearyAuldWumman · 09/02/2026 13:28

I don't recall any of the Scottish dames being 'sinister' to be fair. Usually they and the role of their son or sidekick is there to be laughed at, however.

Thnking about it, I'd have to agree that they were sometimes grotesque, but there was never any indication that they were malevolent. As opposed, for example, to the Wicked Queen character played by Gerda Stevenson in the Stirling panto where Una Mclean played the Dame. I've just done a quick Google and it looks like Una Mclean started out playing principal boys. After playing the Dame at Stirling, she played the sidekick to Jimmy Logan's Dame in Edinburgh.

Presumably, Logan (a Scottish entertainer who normally played male roles outside panto) was seen as the bigger draw. He came from a well-known family of Scottish entertainers. His sister was the jazz singer Annie Ross.

I don't recall drag queens taking on the dame role up in Scotland, but I suppose that it might have happened more recently. One of the best was Stanley Baxter. I don't think he referred to himself as a drag queen - rather he talked of being a female impersonator when required.

Rikki Fulton did play the Dame in panto but I only ever recall seeing him playing male characters otherwise, mainly in comedy. He was open about the fact that he only did panto for the money, but was deemed to be one of the best in Scotland.

I'd say that one of the differences in Scotland (in the '70s and '80s at least) was that the Dame and her sidekicks would often speak Scots rather than the Standard English spoken by other characters, so a working-class audience would be more likely to empathise with them.

As a child I always found them sinister. But in fairness that was quite possibly down to the feeling of somethings not right here when the 'woman' wasnt a woman. A little like the way taxidermy is sinister, showing an animal in a lifelike pose that's actually dead.

VeryQuaintIrene · 09/02/2026 13:44

50Balesofgrey · 08/02/2026 16:19

Oh yes they are

Oh no they're not (etc, ad infinitum).

GreenIsTheColourOfMyHoliday · 09/02/2026 14:11

Stephen Fry just played Lady Bracknell in The Importance of Being Earnest.

As someone mentioned upthread, David Suchet played the role many years ago. This is nothing new

The reverse isn't seen where male roles are being converted for female performers - or at least I can't think of any off the top of my head. Happy to stand corrected.

Very much off the top of my head and I know there are definitely more:
Cynthia Evro as Jesus is JCS and as every (mostly male) part in her one woman Dracula
Judi Dench as Old Deauteronmy in that awful Cats movie
Pi in the Life of Pi stage show had both a male and female playing the role
I think I've seen that Spongebob has a female understudy in The Spongebob Musical who has performed the role
The Da Vinci Code play had some of the minor, but significant, characters played by both men and women (so it would be the grandmother or the grandfather depending for example)
At various times the lead roles in Shakespeare plays have been played by women
The Play That Goes Wrong I believe has had a female "Trevor" role at times, but that might be me being confused (it certainly could be gender swapped)

I think the problem is more dominant in panto lineups - you only need to look at the Crossroads Panto's across the country, Palladium included, to see they have their regulars and they're nearly all male. Even with female named character panto's (Snow White, Goldilocks etc) the female part is often relegated to the third row on the poster, beneath the male stars.

Lesley Joseph, Su Pollard, Linda Lucardi, Joan Collins, Anita Harris, Katie Price, Alison Hammond are all fairly well known on the Panto circuits. Look beyond Crossroads, Imagine are another big name plus places who produce in house or smaller companies. The named character in any panto is usually relegated to a smaller role (Dick Whittington, Aladdin, Jack too) because the really "good" roles are the villains, the fairies and the comedy roles and those go to the big names.

lunarpossum · 09/02/2026 14:31

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 09/02/2026 13:02

The reverse isn't seen where male roles are being converted for female performers - or at least I can't think of any off the top of my head. Happy to stand corrected.

I mentioned two earlier. Michelle Terry (artistic director The Globe) played Richard III last year and previously played Hamlet. Glenda Jackson played King Lear a few years back.

Fiona Shaw played Richard II in 1995. Sarah Snook did her one-performer Dorian Gray last year. Cynthia Erivo is about to do her one-performer Dracula. There are more than people think. The RSC is regularly giving male roles to women.

It also dates back further than you might realise. Sarah Bernhardt played Hamlet in the late 1800s. There are several 'trouser roles' in opera and operetta, such as Count Orlofsky in Die Fledermaus.

In the amateur world, I have seen women play men's roles quite often, especially in Shakespeare. However with modern plays to do so requires permission from the rightsholders which is often not forthcoming.

Stephen Fry's recent Lady Bracknell is not the first time that's happened but bearing in mind the subtext of the play, and people pretending to be someone else, it seems to me to be dramatically defensible.

Apologies, I've not actually read your posts. Just added my two cents into the discussion generally.
I do think Shakespeare falls rather differently - there is across the board much more role and gender swapping built into the material and so is in the general culture of institutions like the RSC.
I think both the RSC and the NT get things really right in terms of the material they choose to produce, how they cast it -and also how they choose to shape or re-shape productions. They're inclusive and representative in a way that I think traditional musical theatre and pantomime need to be very careful that they're not edging away from.
I saw The Welkin at the NT, and it was a real loss to us culturally that the production was stalled because of covid and missed it's recorded NT Live slot. I would pay very good money to see that again. Sorry - I digress!

Was it wrong for Stephen Fry to play Lady Bracknell - no, course not. He's a brilliant performer who would've delivered a fantastic comedic performance - it works for the role.
Mature women are under-represented on the musical theatre stage though, especially beyond one-dimensional roles.
It was good to be reminded of Glenda Jackson and Fiona Shaw, but I would say Cynthia Erivo and Sarah Snook are both still young women not yet in their 40s, so only just starting to approach middle age.
There are many great parts for men of all ages across musical theatre, there are many parts for young women across musical theatre, but there's just a handful of leading roles for older women. Dolly, Gypsy, Miss Hannigan, Reno Sweeney, Norma Desmond, Mrs Lovett...definitely a few more but I am sure you can see where I am coming from.
I am thinking through the lens of mainstream 'commercial' musicals here rather than operettas. Maybe more parts just need to be written!

We should have more queer or non-gendered roles.
We need more queer storylines.
We should have more gender blind casting.
With all that being said we should also ensure that the certain demographic of mature woman is not being pushed further off the stage.

I am fortunate in that my family have worked professionally in theatre across multiple generations, so I would say I have a good grasp of the history and a good knowledge of lots of different shows. This is just my observation from the past few years - I have my own experience in being on the receiving end of a bit more misogyny in the industry also but I wouldn't say thats representative of the industry as a whole and just my particular slice of it. You get arseholes wherever you work unfortunately!

I will add one last thing though which is some of these old school musicals are really very racist. There's been some good re-workings of them to update for modern audiences - I think Anything Goes did well with re-shaping the two Chinese converts. Rightsholders definitely need to be open to some script re-shaping otherwise some of these musicals will be left in the past. If you adjust some of the problematic elements, there's still some good stories there and lovely music that absolutely bodies some of the modern slop we're getting. Lots of people will disagree with me on this, but I found Heathers to be unwatchable despite liking the film.
To give context I am not an older woman myself - I am in my early thirties.

Carla786 · 09/02/2026 14:34

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 09/02/2026 13:02

The reverse isn't seen where male roles are being converted for female performers - or at least I can't think of any off the top of my head. Happy to stand corrected.

I mentioned two earlier. Michelle Terry (artistic director The Globe) played Richard III last year and previously played Hamlet. Glenda Jackson played King Lear a few years back.

Fiona Shaw played Richard II in 1995. Sarah Snook did her one-performer Dorian Gray last year. Cynthia Erivo is about to do her one-performer Dracula. There are more than people think. The RSC is regularly giving male roles to women.

It also dates back further than you might realise. Sarah Bernhardt played Hamlet in the late 1800s. There are several 'trouser roles' in opera and operetta, such as Count Orlofsky in Die Fledermaus.

In the amateur world, I have seen women play men's roles quite often, especially in Shakespeare. However with modern plays to do so requires permission from the rightsholders which is often not forthcoming.

Stephen Fry's recent Lady Bracknell is not the first time that's happened but bearing in mind the subtext of the play, and people pretending to be someone else, it seems to me to be dramatically defensible.

Yes,,quite a few famous historical actresses did get to play Hamlet, Eva le Galliene is another.

BlueJuniper94 · 09/02/2026 14:36

AndrewPreview · 08/02/2026 15:33

Give over, it's panto.

And not all panto dames are gay men.

Don't care if they're gay or not. But to answer the OP, YES. Men with prosthetic boobs always disgust me.

Carla786 · 09/02/2026 14:44

lunarpossum · 09/02/2026 14:31

Apologies, I've not actually read your posts. Just added my two cents into the discussion generally.
I do think Shakespeare falls rather differently - there is across the board much more role and gender swapping built into the material and so is in the general culture of institutions like the RSC.
I think both the RSC and the NT get things really right in terms of the material they choose to produce, how they cast it -and also how they choose to shape or re-shape productions. They're inclusive and representative in a way that I think traditional musical theatre and pantomime need to be very careful that they're not edging away from.
I saw The Welkin at the NT, and it was a real loss to us culturally that the production was stalled because of covid and missed it's recorded NT Live slot. I would pay very good money to see that again. Sorry - I digress!

Was it wrong for Stephen Fry to play Lady Bracknell - no, course not. He's a brilliant performer who would've delivered a fantastic comedic performance - it works for the role.
Mature women are under-represented on the musical theatre stage though, especially beyond one-dimensional roles.
It was good to be reminded of Glenda Jackson and Fiona Shaw, but I would say Cynthia Erivo and Sarah Snook are both still young women not yet in their 40s, so only just starting to approach middle age.
There are many great parts for men of all ages across musical theatre, there are many parts for young women across musical theatre, but there's just a handful of leading roles for older women. Dolly, Gypsy, Miss Hannigan, Reno Sweeney, Norma Desmond, Mrs Lovett...definitely a few more but I am sure you can see where I am coming from.
I am thinking through the lens of mainstream 'commercial' musicals here rather than operettas. Maybe more parts just need to be written!

We should have more queer or non-gendered roles.
We need more queer storylines.
We should have more gender blind casting.
With all that being said we should also ensure that the certain demographic of mature woman is not being pushed further off the stage.

I am fortunate in that my family have worked professionally in theatre across multiple generations, so I would say I have a good grasp of the history and a good knowledge of lots of different shows. This is just my observation from the past few years - I have my own experience in being on the receiving end of a bit more misogyny in the industry also but I wouldn't say thats representative of the industry as a whole and just my particular slice of it. You get arseholes wherever you work unfortunately!

I will add one last thing though which is some of these old school musicals are really very racist. There's been some good re-workings of them to update for modern audiences - I think Anything Goes did well with re-shaping the two Chinese converts. Rightsholders definitely need to be open to some script re-shaping otherwise some of these musicals will be left in the past. If you adjust some of the problematic elements, there's still some good stories there and lovely music that absolutely bodies some of the modern slop we're getting. Lots of people will disagree with me on this, but I found Heathers to be unwatchable despite liking the film.
To give context I am not an older woman myself - I am in my early thirties.

@lunarpossum, that's definitely true about leading roles for older women. Without Sondheim it would be even fewer! Anna in The King and I is another one, though in practice she is often played as younger.

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 09/02/2026 14:44

but there's just a handful of leading roles for older women. Dolly, Gypsy, Miss Hannigan, Reno Sweeney, Norma Desmond, Mrs Lovett...definitely a few more but I am sure you can see where I am coming from.

Mame
Dear World
A Little Night Music
Follies
70, Girls, 70
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Ballroom
The King & I
Prettybelle
Into the Woods
Victor/Victoria

All of these have the lead or joint lead who is (usually played by) middle aged or older. Calamity Jane and Annie Get Your Gun have often had a lead in her 40s. There are plenty more, these are just ones that sprang to mind.

Follies and 70, Girls are chock full of older women. Then there are musicals with a large supporting part or two for middle or older women like Oklahoma, Sound of Music, Carousel, Candide, Company, Kiss of the Spider Woman, 12 of the Gilbert and Sullivan shows, Chicago, Titanic, Nine...

Obviously some of those are better known in the US than here but, really, in musicals, there is far less imbalance than people assume.

Carla786 · 09/02/2026 14:48

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 09/02/2026 14:44

but there's just a handful of leading roles for older women. Dolly, Gypsy, Miss Hannigan, Reno Sweeney, Norma Desmond, Mrs Lovett...definitely a few more but I am sure you can see where I am coming from.

Mame
Dear World
A Little Night Music
Follies
70, Girls, 70
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Ballroom
The King & I
Prettybelle
Into the Woods
Victor/Victoria

All of these have the lead or joint lead who is (usually played by) middle aged or older. Calamity Jane and Annie Get Your Gun have often had a lead in her 40s. There are plenty more, these are just ones that sprang to mind.

Follies and 70, Girls are chock full of older women. Then there are musicals with a large supporting part or two for middle or older women like Oklahoma, Sound of Music, Carousel, Candide, Company, Kiss of the Spider Woman, 12 of the Gilbert and Sullivan shows, Chicago, Titanic, Nine...

Obviously some of those are better known in the US than here but, really, in musicals, there is far less imbalance than people assume.

So many of these are Sondheim, thank goodness for him.

Rodgers & Hammerstein do often have a good song for an older female supporting character, if no leads apart from Anna.

I like the sound of the lesser known recs, off to Google.

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 09/02/2026 14:49

And not forgetting Acorn Antiques The Musical, The Light in the Piazza, Calendar Girls The Musical, Bad Girls The Musical...

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 09/02/2026 14:52

....Call Me Madam, Applause, Woman of the Year, Coco, Wicked, Fiddler on the Roof....

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